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Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Post by Ancapistani »

viktree wrote: post #110
bradgessler wrote: post #92

The more enhancements I see browser vendors making to tabs, the more I think they’re reinventing bookmarks/favorites. Safari introduced “tab groups” a while back, which to me is an insane mess of complexity. When I think about it though they’re just folders and each tab is a bookmark/favorite. The vertical tabs in Brave remind me of bookmarks/favorites too.

This is one feature I like in the Arc Browser. Persistent tabs are bookmarks, and bookmarks are just as accessible as regular tabs.

Not exactly.

Arc has "pinned tabs", but not "bookmarks". While they can be used similarly, I find it quite annoying to use the search to pull something out of my "bookmarks", only to have it open a directory hierarchy eight levels deep when I switch to it.

Likewise, if I navigate away from the page on the pinned tab, I lose my "bookmark".

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Post by nsonha »

morsch wrote: post #155

Vertical tabs without nesting (trees) is such a wasted opportunity. Nesting lets you close/minimise/etc a group of a related tabs, eg. all the search results you opened from a single query. I hope Brave's implementation at least lets you switch tabs using the mouse wheel, which is probably my favorite feature of the Firefox vertical tabs addons. BTW, I was a TST user for many years, and recently switched to Sidebery,…

I used to think like this but now that I'm no longer a student with too much time on my hand, I find features that allow up to a hundred of tabs detrimental to my productivity. Simply vertical tabs strike the right balance.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Post by nsonha »

sphars wrote: post #89
ojkelly wrote: post #83

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that I want a browser that functions like an IDE. Multiple panes with tabs, that can be resized either to custom sizes or automatically (binary space partitioning). It’s too much for a general purpose browser, which is how we’ve got the Chrome, Safari, Firefox we have. But I think the appeal of a more information-dense browser is broader than we think, anyone doing…

Vivaldi can do tab tiling. Not nearly as customizable as an IDE as you describe, but you can vertically or horizontally tile multiple tabs on the same "page". Only browser I know that has that close of functionality https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tabs/tab-tiling/

Arc Browser does it but currently closed beta, I have spare invitations if you need.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Post by nsonha »

behnamoh wrote: post #107
ojkelly wrote: post #83

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that I want a browser that functions like an IDE. Multiple panes with tabs, that can be resized either to custom sizes or automatically (binary space partitioning). It’s too much for a general purpose browser, which is how we’ve got the Chrome, Safari, Firefox we have. But I think the appeal of a more information-dense browser is broader than we think, anyone doing…

And not an IDE like VSCode, but a fully customizable IDE. It's so frustrating to yearn for basic features in VSCode only to be ignored for years. For example, on macOS, a good amount of space is wasted because we can't hide the menu/title bar. We can't customize tabs either. No vertical tabs like Edge. No tabs height customization. It's either their way or the highway. A gripe with Brave: Why doesn't the mouse-over f…

Do you actually need tabs though? First thing I do after installing VSCode is usually getting rid of the tabs and just use the file tree and "opening files" pane (recently got rid of that too because you can just invoke its popup with a hotkey).

What annoys me more is that stupid minimap that somehow has become an enabled by default "feature" on modern editors.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Post by nsonha »

hliyan wrote: post #150
ojkelly wrote: post #83

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that I want a browser that functions like an IDE. Multiple panes with tabs, that can be resized either to custom sizes or automatically (binary space partitioning). It’s too much for a general purpose browser, which is how we’ve got the Chrome, Safari, Firefox we have. But I think the appeal of a more information-dense browser is broader than we think, anyone doing…

Or, getting rid of tabs and going back to individual browser windows, but with some mechanism to visualise and navigate between them better on the desktop (e.g. window shrinks to 30% of full size on loss focus and stays to a side of the desk top until restored). I remember managing a fairly large number of Internet Explorer windows on Windows 98.

I thought about that too, the ability to group windows into tabs*, regardless of application is better managed by the desktop environment, rather than application.

[*] https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/GUI.html#stack-ti...

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Post by ubercore »

morsch wrote: post #155

Vertical tabs without nesting (trees) is such a wasted opportunity. Nesting lets you close/minimise/etc a group of a related tabs, eg. all the search results you opened from a single query. I hope Brave's implementation at least lets you switch tabs using the mouse wheel, which is probably my favorite feature of the Firefox vertical tabs addons. BTW, I was a TST user for many years, and recently switched to Sidebery,…

Arc does this as well, I think.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Post by hxii »

nsonha wrote: post #194
sphars wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vivaldi can do tab tiling. Not nearly as customizable as an IDE as you describe, but you can vertically or horizontally tile multiple tabs on the same "page". Only browser I know that has that close of functionality https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tabs/tab-tiling/

Arc Browser does it but currently closed beta, I have spare invitations if you need.

I wanted to try it since I couldn't understand what the fuss was about, then I saw it's still in closed beta.

What are your impressions of it?

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Post by nologic01 »

ojkelly wrote: post #83

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that I want a browser that functions like an IDE. Multiple panes with tabs, that can be resized either to custom sizes or automatically (binary space partitioning). It’s too much for a general purpose browser, which is how we’ve got the Chrome, Safari, Firefox we have. But I think the appeal of a more information-dense browser is broader than we think, anyone doing…

> The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that I want a browser that functions like an IDE.

Yep. That is exactly how I think about it as well.

The browser and the IDE are effectively the same metaphor of a "super-app", just different security assumptions about where the information resides, how much it can be trusted and what can be done with it, how active the user input etc. In systems such as Firefox OS or ChromeOs the boundaries dissolve further.

Thinking about open source desktops and their application ecosystems, instead of countless independent efforts that waste precious talent in incompatible replication there could be some sort of architecture where lower level apps (editors, file/tab/bookmark/tag managers, shells, webview or spreadsheet renderers etc) could be recombined in various ways in the browser/IDE (or run as standalone apps).

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Post by dietr1ch »

ojkelly wrote: post #83

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that I want a browser that functions like an IDE. Multiple panes with tabs, that can be resized either to custom sizes or automatically (binary space partitioning). It’s too much for a general purpose browser, which is how we’ve got the Chrome, Safari, Firefox we have. But I think the appeal of a more information-dense browser is broader than we think, anyone doing…

I actually want a windowing system that provides the tree tab bar instead. I feel the paradigm of having windows around have been stuck for 40yrs and that the only major mainstream innovation is just manually tiling windows.

KDE has allowed grouping windows as tabs, but that never really took off. There's a vast amount of tiling WMs, but none of them are truly popular, and I also don't want to open a terminal, or worse, emacs, to deal with wifi/bluetooth/thumbdrives just to showoff how unnecessarily awkward some things get to be when you don't run some mainstream desktop.

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