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Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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post #155

Vertical tabs without nesting (trees) is such a wasted opportunity. Nesting lets you close/minimise/etc a group of a related tabs, eg. all the search results you opened from a single query. I hope Brave's implementation at least lets you switch tabs using the mouse wheel, which is probably my favorite feature of the Firefox vertical tabs addons. BTW, I was a TST user for many years, and recently switched to Sidebery,…

Can also recommend Sideberry. Amazing addon!

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early versions of Opera (maybe 20 years ago or so, I don't remember when exactly) had real MDI, where the tabs were subwindows rather than actual tabs. You could arrange them however you wanted, tile, cascade, etc. For me, it was the pinnacle of browser UI. Everything that came after that (including of course later iterations of Opera, which removed the MDI) has been considerably worse.

I really, really liked a lot of Opera's ideas. I think someone on that team really understood good UI design principles, at least at the feature level. If memory serves it included an IRC client at least, and maybe even an FTP client? Can't remember about the latter, but definitely the former. Perhaps a bit "bloated" for its time, but it was always pretty sleek to use. In fact I don't exactly remember why it never be…

Opera got sold and the people who used to work there now continue their work at Vivaldi. Love their browser: strong focus on keyboard users, fast, privacy oriented.

https://vivaldi.com

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

#183
post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early versions of Opera (maybe 20 years ago or so, I don't remember when exactly) had real MDI, where the tabs were subwindows rather than actual tabs. You could arrange them however you wanted, tile, cascade, etc. For me, it was the pinnacle of browser UI. Everything that came after that (including of course later iterations of Opera, which removed the MDI) has been considerably worse.

I really, really liked a lot of Opera's ideas. I think someone on that team really understood good UI design principles, at least at the feature level. If memory serves it included an IRC client at least, and maybe even an FTP client? Can't remember about the latter, but definitely the former. Perhaps a bit "bloated" for its time, but it was always pretty sleek to use. In fact I don't exactly remember why it never be…

> Looking at it now, it seems to have an identity crisis now.

Opera was sold to a Chinese company in the mid-10s and introduced suspicious stuff like a built-in free VPN. It is basically ignored nowadays.

The original CEO started Vivaldi, which is an excellent browser in terms of features - tiling tabs [0] were a favourite of mine. Unfortunately it is closed-source and chatty [1], but I still like on devices where privacy is not a concern.

[0] https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tabs/tab-tiling/

[1] https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/vivaldi

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

#184
post #155

Vertical tabs without nesting (trees) is such a wasted opportunity. Nesting lets you close/minimise/etc a group of a related tabs, eg. all the search results you opened from a single query. I hope Brave's implementation at least lets you switch tabs using the mouse wheel, which is probably my favorite feature of the Firefox vertical tabs addons. BTW, I was a TST user for many years, and recently switched to Sidebery,…

Brave currently offers groups, which can be minimized to achieve some of the effect you mention. But like you, I'm hoping they bring true nesting in the future!

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

#186
post #155

Vertical tabs without nesting (trees) is such a wasted opportunity. Nesting lets you close/minimise/etc a group of a related tabs, eg. all the search results you opened from a single query. I hope Brave's implementation at least lets you switch tabs using the mouse wheel, which is probably my favorite feature of the Firefox vertical tabs addons. BTW, I was a TST user for many years, and recently switched to Sidebery,…

The only thing those Firefox extension lack is the ability to hide native tabs (I understand that this is a limitation of Firefox extension APIs). You have to manually modify your userChrome.css to do so.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

#187
post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early versions of Opera (maybe 20 years ago or so, I don't remember when exactly) had real MDI, where the tabs were subwindows rather than actual tabs. You could arrange them however you wanted, tile, cascade, etc. For me, it was the pinnacle of browser UI. Everything that came after that (including of course later iterations of Opera, which removed the MDI) has been considerably worse.

I really, really liked a lot of Opera's ideas. I think someone on that team really understood good UI design principles, at least at the feature level. If memory serves it included an IRC client at least, and maybe even an FTP client? Can't remember about the latter, but definitely the former. Perhaps a bit "bloated" for its time, but it was always pretty sleek to use. In fact I don't exactly remember why it never be…

Until version 10 or 11, Opera was shareware and it had a bar with ads if you don’t buy a license.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

#188

It's strange to me how a key selling point of these vertical tabs is "save on vertical space", but they almost always still include a header bar. You can see in the video they posted that it saves almost no vertical space, while now taking up a massive amount of horizontal space.

Arc moves the header bar stuff (URL) to the left pane, so the entire right pane is site content.

I hope Arc's vertical tab could support nesting/tree feature, which is really useful.
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