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Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tree Style Tabs were released for Firefox around 2007 https://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_treestyletab.html.en#history I am not sure if someone like Opera was earlier, but Arc is likely copying this.

> I am not sure if someone like Opera was earlier OmniWeb 5.0, 2004: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2004/02/ow5/3/#tabs

Windows common controls had side-aligned tabs around 1997

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Why do people need dozens or hundreds of tabs to the point that they need groups for them? We've had bookmarks (and folders for them) for decades... It made way more sense when you could expect tabs to always be loaded, and not behave like another set of bookmarks.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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post #32

It's strange to me how a key selling point of these vertical tabs is "save on vertical space", but they almost always still include a header bar. You can see in the video they posted that it saves almost no vertical space, while now taking up a massive amount of horizontal space.

> It's strange to me how a key selling point of these vertical tabs is "save on vertical space", but they almost always still include a header bar. Honestly, that's not the main selling point of vertical tabs for me. Horizontal tabs don't scale for more than a dozen or so, but vertical tabs do. The "wasted" horizontal space is useless for reading most page, but displays enough data for practical navigation, and the v…

> the vertical organization allows more-developed vertical scrolling technologies to be used with the tab list (e.g. scroll wheels).

Firefox also lets you scroll the tabs horizontally. Which I prefer to Brave's approach of simply not displaying the last tabs in the bar if it's too many, which means newly opened tabs simply never show up while the others are shrunk so far they become difficult to hit with the cursor.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tree Style Tabs were released for Firefox around 2007 https://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_treestyletab.html.en#history I am not sure if someone like Opera was earlier, but Arc is likely copying this.

> I am not sure if someone like Opera was earlier OmniWeb 5.0, 2004: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2004/02/ow5/3/#tabs

Yep, OmniWeb was the first place I saw the of the vertical tabs back in the mid-00s. Blew my mind.

The concept of “drawers” that OS X had at the time was well suited for this kind of thing, with some “free” (in terms of dev effort) flexibility of allowing the user to choose which edge they unfurled from. It’s too bad they fell out of style in favor of much more static sidebars.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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post #42

Why do people need dozens or hundreds of tabs to the point that they need groups for them? We've had bookmarks (and folders for them) for decades... It made way more sense when you could expect tabs to always be loaded, and not behave like another set of bookmarks.

Bookmarks have management overhead and are too easily forgotten about. For a lot of people tabs serve as a sort of to-do list or with groups, repositories for sites that will briefly be useful for a certain task in the near future. They naturally get closed as they’re done with, eschewing any kind of cleanup step as is necessary with bookmarks.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

#46
post #37

I see the name “Brave Browser” and my brain just refuses to engage. Their marketing team ruined the product for me before I ever got the chance to try it.

What do you mean? Do you feel anxious about having to rent a tuxedo when someone mentions Opera?

I jest, but I don't think I get what you are implying. What is the difference between this fantasy name and any other that is also an existing noun?

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

#47
Brave gives a very bad vibe (mostly due to the affiliate links scandal), I prefer to just use my favorite browsers (ff/edge) + uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger which give good privacy/adblock experience, are open source and customizable to my liking.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

#48

It's strange to me how a key selling point of these vertical tabs is "save on vertical space", but they almost always still include a header bar. You can see in the video they posted that it saves almost no vertical space, while now taking up a massive amount of horizontal space.

They certainly do save space on Firefox (with the right config). In the default setting, there is OS title bar, then a address+icon bar, then the tab bar. After installing sidebar tabs, you can remove the tab bar with some css, which saves about 5% of the vertical screen space.

"tab bar in titlebar" has been the Firefox default for a number of years at this point. If Linux, your distro/packager of choice may have overridden that. The only true exception to this is tile based WMs (which don't have title bars) but in that case it's still above by default.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am not sure if someone like Opera was earlier OmniWeb 5.0, 2004: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2004/02/ow5/3/#tabs

Windows common controls had side-aligned tabs around 1997

OS/2 2.1: https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/os221#general, released December 1993.

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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post #46
post #37

I see the name “Brave Browser” and my brain just refuses to engage. Their marketing team ruined the product for me before I ever got the chance to try it.

What do you mean? Do you feel anxious about having to rent a tuxedo when someone mentions Opera? I jest, but I don't think I get what you are implying. What is the difference between this fantasy name and any other that is also an existing noun?

> What do you mean?

For once can we just skip the inevitable discussion that takes place in every single brave thread?

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