Probably getting ready to lock them behind a higher price tier.
Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?
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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?
#762The reason it's worse is basically because it's more 'safe' (not racist, etc). That of course sounds insane, and doesn't mean that safety shouldn't be strived for, etc - but there's an explanation as to how this occurs. It occurs because the system essentially does a latent classification of problems into 'acceptable' or 'not acceptable' to respond to. When this is done, a decent amount of information is lost regardi…
They're up against a pretty difficult barrier - if we had a perfect all-knowing oracle it might easily have opinions that are racist. Statistics alone suggest there will be racist truths. We're dealing with groups of people who are observably different from each other in correlated ways. GPT would need to reach a convincing balance of lying and honesty if it is supposed to navigate that challenge. It'd have to be dee…
> Statistics alone suggest there will be racist truths
such as?
Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?
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> Crime stats, average IQ across groups, stereotype accuracy, etc. If you measured these stats for Irish Americans in 1865 you'd also see high crime and low IQ. If you measure these stats with recent black immigrants from Africa, you see low crime and high IQ. These statistical differences are not caused by race. An all-knowing oracle wouldn't need to hold "opinions that are racist" to understand them.
But for accuracy it doesn't matter if the relationship is causal, it matters whether the correlation is real. If in some country - for the sake of discussion, outside of Americas - a distinct ethnic group is heavily discriminated against, gets limited access to education and good jobs, and because of that has a high rate of crime, any accurate model should "know" that it's unlikely that someone from that group is a d…
> for accuracy
Predictive power and accuracy isn't "truth".
Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?
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What makes you think a right wing spook wouldn't want the wedge issue of gender conformity front and center in people's minds?
So, if the right got their way and the answer was "a woman is an adult female human", it would be a vast right wing conspiracy.
But if it says a woman is "anything that identifies as a woman", then it's still a vast right wing conspiracy?
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What effect do transgender rights have on you, regardless of whether they are legitimate human-rights concerns or not? Statistically, the odds are overwhelming that the answer is, "No effect whatsoever." Then who benefits from keeping the subject front-and-center in your thoughts and writing? Is it more likely to be a transgender person, or a leftist politician... or a right-wing demagogue?
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Yea, good point. I had missed his line about “country bordering Palestine”. The quip about downvotes exciting him is telling as well. Going against the common consensus can make you feel like you have hidden knowledge and you even could, but a certain type of personality gets addicted to that feeling and reflexively seeks to always go against any consensus, regardless of the facts
Isn't it tremendously exciting believing that you can see the pendulum's next reversal? At some point in life I hope that you find yourself on the precipice of life and death. Not as a threat or because I wish harm upon anyone. It is only when you are faced with that choice for real that you decide whether you want to be that sad person that allows others to dictate their emotional state. Nevertheless, you are right.…
Bruh I have been in multiple life and death situations, I didn’t come out of them thinking I was amazing for not being considerate of others.
> Due to circumstances beyond my control, I learned at a young age that I am to be the universal asshole, and for a very long time I was not okay.
No you’re not required to be the “universal asshole”. That’s a choice you are making everytime you have the chance to be better and decide to go with the easy path of being a dick. You have the agency to do otherwise and you don’t get to absolve yourself of those choices.
You’re not a guru, you’re just anti social
Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?
#767Earlier quoted context omitted.
What effect do transgender rights have on you, regardless of whether they are legitimate human-rights concerns or not? Statistically, the odds are overwhelming that the answer is, "No effect whatsoever." Then who benefits from keeping the subject front-and-center in your thoughts and writing? Is it more likely to be a transgender person, or a leftist politician... or a right-wing demagogue?
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> In fact I'm happy to let anyone identify as anything, as long as I'm not compelled to pretent along with them.
If a person legally changes their name (forget gender, only name), and you refuse to use it, and insist on using the old name even after requests to stop, at some point that would become considered malicious and become harassment.
But ultimately because society and science deems that "name" is not something you're born with, but a matter of personal preference and whims, it's not a crime. You'd be an asshole, but not a criminal.
However, society and science have deemed that sexuality and gender are things you ARE born with, mostly hetero and cis, but sometimes not. So if you refuse to acknowledge these, you are committing a hateful crime against someone who doesn't have a choice in the matter.
You can disagree. But then don't claim that "you are happy to let anyone identify as anything", because you're not, not really.
> Men are competing against women (and winning). Men are winning awards and accolades meant for women.
One woman. Almost all examples everyone brings up are based on Lia Thomas [0]. I have yet to see other notable examples, never mind an epidemic of men competing against women in sports.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_Thomas
> Men are going into women's changing rooms. There is a concerted effort in public schools to normalize this abnormal behavior.
Are you talking about transgender people, or are you talking about bad faith perverts abusing self-identification laws to do this?
Because if it's the former, are you asking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaire_White to use men's changing rooms, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Angel to use women's?
If it's the latter, no denial that perverts and bad faith exceptions exist. But those people never needed an excuse to hide in women's toilets. Trans people have been using the bathrooms of their confirmed gender for decades. The only thing that's changed recently is conservatives decided to make this their new wedge issues so butch women and mothers with male children with mental handicaps that need bathroom assistance have been getting harassed.
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So, when I see a video from the USA and it beeps every few seconds, I guess that nonesense has also been "implanted" by foreign wealth? Sorry, I don't buy your explanation. Puritanism is puritanism, and you have so much of that over there that it is almost hilarious when watched from the outside.
Beeps? Censorship is literally illegal here. If a filmmaker chooses to "beep" something it's the filmmaker's choice. Are you going to force them not to do that? That sounds counter to your objective.
Also, I've never met a "Puritan." But I've seen Pulp Fiction and countless other graphic American films that seem to have de-Puritanized the rest of the world, last I checked.
I'm sorry all your country lets you watch is Disney. You may want to check with the censorship board over there to see if they will give you a pass to watch the vast majority of American film that you're missing.
Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?
#769The reason it's worse is basically because it's more 'safe' (not racist, etc). That of course sounds insane, and doesn't mean that safety shouldn't be strived for, etc - but there's an explanation as to how this occurs. It occurs because the system essentially does a latent classification of problems into 'acceptable' or 'not acceptable' to respond to. When this is done, a decent amount of information is lost regardi…
There was a talk by a researcher where he was saying that they could see the progress being made on chatgpt by how much success it had with drawing a unicorn in latex. What stuck out to me was he said that the safer the model got the worst it got at drawing a unicorn.
He also claimed that it initially beat 100% of humans on mock Google / Amazon coding interviews. Hard to imagine that now.
Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?
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Why not?
To be honest, I've been asking myself the same thing, technically the amount of "good quality" data in libgen is huge, way larger than the books3 dataset. However it would probably run afoul of copyright. Then again, a huge amount of data that LLMs go through is copyrighted.
Training on copyright data is arguably considered fair use in quite a few jurisdictions to various extents and levels of precedent, and entirely legal for entities based in Japan.