To be honest, the pricing really does feel fair for what it offers. I just don't wanna spend money on a monthly subscription, and its too much of an unknown to throw 900$ at it.
Show HN: I made CSS Pro, a re-imagined Devtools for web design
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Re: Show HN: I made CSS Pro, a re-imagined Devtools for web design
#122This is a wonderful interface! Great UX, really landmark, effortless design! Reminds me of Bret Victor, and the top notch best products to come out of Apple and Google. You have produced something that big companies spend millions, thousands of developer and designer hours, and months to build. You are truly awesome! Thank you for inspiring the world with this awesome work!!! :) ;P xx ;p
Do you have a GitHub or place where we can see more of your work? Thank you for laboring in obscurity until you produced this magnum opus masterpiece. This guy is example of why you should never give up. :) ;p xx ;p
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#123Honestly the comments are a good example on how difficult it is to sell to developers and why startup ideas that target developers are dangerous to bootstrap. Developers have high incomes, but are quite frankly, extremely cheap. And I actually mean cheap and not frugal. They will spend 40 hours/week for months to save $5/mo. There's basically no logic apart from that developers have a poor concept of time and money a…
I have a theory that a lot of us became developers after being poor teenagers who downloaded warez for $0 in the olden days.
For that reason, where software is concerned, for us the distance between $0 and $1 is even wider than the already wide distance it is for the general population.
Re: Show HN: I made CSS Pro, a re-imagined Devtools for web design
#124Honestly the comments are a good example on how difficult it is to sell to developers and why startup ideas that target developers are dangerous to bootstrap. Developers have high incomes, but are quite frankly, extremely cheap. And I actually mean cheap and not frugal. They will spend 40 hours/week for months to save $5/mo. There's basically no logic apart from that developers have a poor concept of time and money a…
It’s actually incredible how cheap we are. I catch myself doing it, and what makes it even more ridiculous is how much I won’t even think twice about spending on other things that are just hobbies. Why does my brain think it’s fine to spend hundreds of dollars on a microphone or a lens or even a plugin that is actually also software, but $50 for a tool that will help me with my 40 hour a week job is out of the questi…
Well for me this would be a hobby purchase. The problem is that while I could justify dropping $150 on something like this to myself, I don't want to pay for it by the month, knowing that most months I won't use it.
Re: Show HN: I made CSS Pro, a re-imagined Devtools for web design
#125Honestly the comments are a good example on how difficult it is to sell to developers and why startup ideas that target developers are dangerous to bootstrap. Developers have high incomes, but are quite frankly, extremely cheap. And I actually mean cheap and not frugal. They will spend 40 hours/week for months to save $5/mo. There's basically no logic apart from that developers have a poor concept of time and money a…
No. Monthly subscriptions suck. Every company wants to "tax" me monthly for something that's feature complete. The ones I already pay, I do so very begrudgingly. There's simply too many SaaS products out there. Let's go back to perpetual licenses. And I'll gladly pay for upgraded versions, or not if the upgrade isn't worthwhile. When it's not SaaS, I also get to control what version I'm using. The product doesn't own…
I understand the feeling of not wanting to pay continuously for something feature complete. But, as long as the monthly cost for those tools is less, than the hourly-rate it would take to do it yourself, does it really matter? You are still saving money/time.
Re: Show HN: I made CSS Pro, a re-imagined Devtools for web design
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
A comment to address the pricing that everyone is complaining about: A web designer/developer in a decent, profitable company is probably getting paid $100k at least. Assuming 250 working days a year with 8 hours a day of paid time, that's roughly $0.8/minute. If this tool saves that person 90 seconds a day finding and tweaking things in a design then it's saving more than $30/month worth of their time. It's quite ch…
> A web designer/developer in a decent, profitable company is probably getting paid $100k at least. In the US maybe. Definitely not here in Italy and probably in most of Europe.
Even if someone is paid 1/3 of the US wage it only means you need to save 3* as much time. It's still quite cheap.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most tools like this are priced with the understanding that they'll be billed to the employer in the end, not paid out of pocket by the developer. They probably need to add org licenses soon in order to better accommodate that.
Yeah, but a lot of employers would still bristle at $180 a year (if you pay in advance) for a souped up version of dev tools. Not to mention that most places that would have a budget for something like this would need to do a security audit of anything like this. If you’re a consultant or have a lot of client projects, you can absolutely bill the client for this sort of thing. But that’s not the situation for everyon…
Back in the day, we had requested donations for Firebug (which had millions of installs) and the revenue was embarrassingly pathetic. We used it to give contributors in non-western countries some bonuses from time to time.
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>Developers, my only word of advice, is seriously.. stop being so cheap and spend some money to make your lives easier. >but I can guarantee that 99% of developers will not spend $30/month to make their lives easier. Your post is insulting and it really seems like it is an ad for this product.
It is insulting, but sometimes the shoe fits. Developer tools is notoriously difficult because engineers (and their managers, and the teams) are very cheap.
If a dev thinks they could build it themselves, they won’t pay. You have to cross a line where the dev does not want to even entertain the idea of building it. So backends for front end engineers, for example.
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No. Monthly subscriptions suck. Every company wants to "tax" me monthly for something that's feature complete. The ones I already pay, I do so very begrudgingly. There's simply too many SaaS products out there. Let's go back to perpetual licenses. And I'll gladly pay for upgraded versions, or not if the upgrade isn't worthwhile. When it's not SaaS, I also get to control what version I'm using. The product doesn't own…
It might be a pedantic point but when you buy a perpetual license you don’t “own” the product - you “own” a license to use the product, on the terms in the license.
OP “own” the product in the sense “use it as long as he want in the terms defined in the license at the time it’s bought.” Adobe can’t change the license of the Photoshop CS3 cd-rom I bought a while ago. If I’m using their current subscription version I would only use the license to use the product in the time defined by the subscription.