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What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

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Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#11
In my family and friends group, friendships and partners can often orthogonal: You do different things with different people and they add to life experience, not substract.

I can imagine that if you state to your partner that they are number two and always will stay, it might already put a strain on the relationship: In a sense a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#12
I don't know how to find the center of an irregular multidimensional volume.

Surely for different purposes, different people matter differently. E.g. My spouse doesn't ride a bike (not like I do). For that activity she's nowhere near the 'center' of my life.

Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#13
post #7

Kids are the center of your life. They are a lot easier (especially during the younger ages) to raise with a committed partner.

So true, but I had to actually go over the process to fully realize this.

They take over everything in life, work, hobbies, passions, sleep. Its so god damned hard to raise them, yet extremely rewarding. There is really me before kids and a different person afterwards, envying the previous guy all the freedom and cool stuff he did, but not really wanting to switch place.

The thing is, they eventually leave the life to forge their own path, maybe a bit and maybe almost completely moving away, while partner and friends are for longer and closer.

Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#14
If their romantic significant others are fine being number two in this way, and it's all consensual, then they should do it and move their lives the way they want to.

I would personally not be OK with this setup with a romantic partner (neither as one who would see a friend as my number one or if the romantic partner did with someone else), but that's obviously not supposed to limit them in any way, since I'm not part of their equation.

All relationships could do well with clear boundaries, understanding, and a ton of communication to continuously maintain that as relationships evolve.

Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#15
post #5

Euro perspective: sounds like an american problem of people moving halfway across the country instead of usually settling down nearby with their highschool friends doing mostly the same thing.

Only if you are well-off due to your parents, or lucky, or lazy. I've moved around, and folks I've met everywhere definitely don't fit into this description, including me. I ended up in Switzerland, a country full of EU (and other) immigrants where almost nobody fits that description, even locals we know come from various parts.

Depends on what your ambitions are in life. Which goes back to first sentence.

Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#16
post #5

Euro perspective: sounds like an american problem of people moving halfway across the country instead of usually settling down nearby with their highschool friends doing mostly the same thing.

Plenty of Americans stay put, they're just poor, so you are ignorant of them

Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#17
As June rolled around today, I was just reflecting on the history of sexuality, and the philosophical shift that has occurred relatively recently, from "lifestyle" to "orientation" to "identity" and all that comes with it.

People in the past did not consider themselves to have sexual orientations, to be gay or straight or something else. Even someone who was committed to a same-sex romantic relationship wouldn't have, or want, the terminology to describe and identify themselves in those terms. It was... behavior. Passions.

So it's not difficult to see that this lack of labeling and identity would also be a lack of barriers to intimacy and romantic talk without necessitating or implying sexual behavior. If a bro is too proud to sit next to me on a bus bench today because he needs his personal space, perhaps he's afraid of being labeled or branded as something he doesn't like.

I like the fact that the subjects of this article have gone beyond "best friends" terminology and come up with some neat new terms. "Boot-camp besties"! Yeah!

Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#18
As an adult, friendships keep passing by. All of a sudden a good friend "gets busy" or "life just happens". I really do not believe it anymore, even if people are genuinely busy, the least they can do is spare a few seconds of their day to reply back to a text? After what can only be described as a long "sliding window" of maintaining multiple friendships, seeing one tail expire and me actively trying to build more, I am genuinely tired of this or being so emotionally invested with them. I just don't feel its right either talking to so many this devotedly to someone I have no intention of marrying.

I'm looking for something deeper, as this article shows, a monogamous romantic relationship. I would like to have many children too. I don't think humans are built for multiple deep friendships. It also invites jealousy with the romantic partner. Being religious, "till death do us part" being expected out of marriage, I doubt these deep friends would go that far without the benefits of marriage.

Marriage and kids seem to be the center of life in this otherwise busy world

Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#19
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm not saying you will - but you might be surprised about that friendship after you broke up.

So far I lost more friends in my life than spouses, but I get your point. If it ever comes to that, I at least hope any break will be more or less amicable. No huge interest in finding out so!

losing friends is in my experience a somewhat dynamic and historically plausible process while break ups turn a switch in a woman's brain. i know this won't fare well with many folks to put it that way - but men don't have that switch. a woman turns from one minute to the other into someone else the moment the relationship is over and the only thing you have left to hope for is that this someone isn't going to be your new archenemy - especially if you have a divorce looking forward to.

Re: What If Friendship, Not Marriage, Was at the Center of Life?

#20
I don't like the idea that there is a singular "center" of life. Everyone's center is different. Assuming that it's the same for everyone can cause a whole host of problems in people's lives.

Societies are so far off from what's truly important in existence, that I fear we may never collectively reach that day where we truly get it right.

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