Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure how this is fascist. Explain?
Not sure what storming, disturbing and leading to the cancellation of an event that describes historical occurrences else is. A normal hobby? Surely not.
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#23The Polish holocaust debate is rather interesting, because Polish people (as in, ethnic Poles) were both victims and perpetrators; millions of Polish were killed during the holocaust, and the plan was to kill up to ~85% of them and use the rest in forced labour (i.e. slavery, basically) to make lebensraum for more worthy people. Slavs weren't considered as bad as Jews, but still untermenschen. At the time same, it's…
You hit the nail on the head there with "that opposes the more nuanced view."
It seems no one wants that in the current age of point scoring in the twitter-shout wars.
I'm not so sure the powers that be aren't gleefully stoking these big topic arguments to distract us all from the atrocities and corruption going on in the background.
Yes, everyone get enraged and shout slogans about birth control, race, gender, war, celebrities! Just don't check on all the deals we're making behind your back, that's misinformation.
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#24The Polish holocaust debate is rather interesting, because Polish people (as in, ethnic Poles) were both victims and perpetrators; millions of Polish were killed during the holocaust, and the plan was to kill up to ~85% of them and use the rest in forced labour (i.e. slavery, basically) to make lebensraum for more worthy people. Slavs weren't considered as bad as Jews, but still untermenschen. At the time same, it's…
> Slavs weren't considered as bad as Jews, but still untermenschen.
The plan to exterminate Slavs:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
was actually formed before the plan to exterminate Jews:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
Germany itself actually didn't have a large Jewish population (as a percentage), and would probably have been happy to simply have them leave (though they didn't make it easy for people, and no one was really welcoming):
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
but when the Nazis conquered (half of) Poland, suddenly they had millions more to 'deal with', and so they needed something on an industrial scale.
Generally, all the folks stuck between Stalin and Hitler had a bad time in the 1920s and especially 1930s:
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#25The Polish holocaust debate is rather interesting, because Polish people (as in, ethnic Poles) were both victims and perpetrators; millions of Polish were killed during the holocaust, and the plan was to kill up to ~85% of them and use the rest in forced labour (i.e. slavery, basically) to make lebensraum for more worthy people. Slavs weren't considered as bad as Jews, but still untermenschen. At the time same, it's…
If you’re interested in what those who criticize people like the scholar mentioned in the article have to say, I can provide some background (I live in Poland).
Basically many Poles feel like they’re being framed as perpetrators (as a whole nation) instead of victims (6 million Poles were killed during WW2). There were many people who helped Jews during war. Among Righteous Among Nations Poles are the majority. Also some historians, like the one from the article, are considered to be biased by neglecting the majority of sacrifices of Poles while showing only wrong doings of some minor groups, which were never supported by Poland as a country.
At the same time they fail to mention the scale of collaboration among Polish Jews during WW2 and after, which very often was punished by death by the Polish Underground Government.
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#26The Polish holocaust debate is rather interesting, because Polish people (as in, ethnic Poles) were both victims and perpetrators; millions of Polish were killed during the holocaust, and the plan was to kill up to ~85% of them and use the rest in forced labour (i.e. slavery, basically) to make lebensraum for more worthy people. Slavs weren't considered as bad as Jews, but still untermenschen. At the time same, it's…
You hit the nail on the head there with "that opposes the more nuanced view." It seems no one wants that in the current age of point scoring in the twitter-shout wars. I'm not so sure the powers that be aren't gleefully stoking these big topic arguments to distract us all from the atrocities and corruption going on in the background. Yes, everyone get enraged and shout slogans about birth control, race, gender, war,…
There's no doubt some people using emotive topics such as this for "quick point scoring", and/or use it to distract the news cycle from other less favourable stories. But these sort of "distractions" do fall in to very fertile ground with the general public, so I'm not sure it's actually all that meaningful really.
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#30I’m quite disappointed that HN gets more and more political news here (which are not objective truths but are portrayed as such). Could we please keep it free of politics and more technology focused?
This is a very much on-topic post because of its relation to: