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India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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I hope you aren't using the "everybody does it" argument to normalize, or worse, justify this stupidity. That every country has its share of people who engage in such backward-looking, glorifying-the-past behavior does not make it right.

If everyone does it then maybe it isn't stupid? Your argument isn't a valid one.

No, it means stupid people arise from any genetic heritage given the comfort and luxury to establish said stupidity sans real world interference

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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I hope you aren't using the "everybody does it" argument to normalize, or worse, justify this stupidity. That every country has its share of people who engage in such backward-looking, glorifying-the-past behavior does not make it right.

If everyone does it then maybe it isn't stupid? Your argument isn't a valid one.

Also, as a person who has experienced xenophobia in over 50 nations I can tell you that it’s never the best and brightest who stayed in their home town and defend it against outsiders via physical violence and harassment. I have a metal plate and five screws in my leg that tell me your proposals are a no go.

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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I have no idea exactly how much this particular curriculum change is influenced by religion. But your assertion that science is depoliticized in India is very wrong. In 2018, the education minister declared Darwin was wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/23/indian-educati... This is just one of many such troubling incidents, including apparent indifference to the murder of pro-rationalism academics. Anec…

India is not alone. We have a well-known rapper in France who recently explained how the Egyptian pyramides were something something electricity generators and that Egyptians had electricity thousand of years ago. This was relayed on TikTok and other platforms to the point where some gov't official had to say that this is bullshit.

What arm of the French government did this rapper represent?

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea exactly how much this particular curriculum change is influenced by religion. But your assertion that science is depoliticized in India is very wrong. In 2018, the education minister declared Darwin was wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/23/indian-educati... This is just one of many such troubling incidents, including apparent indifference to the murder of pro-rationalism academics. Anec…

India is not alone. We have a well-known rapper in France who recently explained how the Egyptian pyramides were something something electricity generators and that Egyptians had electricity thousand of years ago. This was relayed on TikTok and other platforms to the point where some gov't official had to say that this is bullshit.

As they are landing pads for Goa'uld, they probably do have some power generation capability.

More seriously, a French wrapper is just that and not the government in any capacity.

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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Above ranking does not make sense at all. Is CBSE is so low ranked, why is prevalent board in Indian and schools abroad which favors CBSE? ICSE is more all round syllabus which makes sense but does not make it difficult or higher ranked than CBSE.

I'm just speaking from a content perspective. I'm American born and raised, but often used Indian STEM textbooks to prep for STEM related AP exams as well as competition exams like USAPHo, AIMEs, etc in High School. In my experience for STEM, JEE >>>> ICSE >> CBSE All programs will accept the CBSE (it's exclusionary not to), but the CBSE curricula does lag. Either way, for admissions here in the US, IB/AP+SAT would b…

Interesting that you rank some state boards as better than CBSE. Where I'm from (Karnataka), the state board textbooks felt like they weren't nearly as rigorous or interesting as the CBSE equivalents. Any particular state boards that you're referring to?

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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It's only affecting 10th grade CBSE (NCERT), not ICSE or state board* exams, let alone competitive board exams like the JEE (Engineering) or NEET (Medicine). It's still being taught in the NCERT books as well, but now in 12th grade instead of 10th grade. The scarier thing should be the rewriting of the history section of CBSE. * board is Indian English for curriculum Also, on the hierarchy of Indian board exams: Top…

> The scarier thing should be the rewriting of the history section of CBSE. That is the one I am looking forward to. Indian history today is freedom struggle - mughal empire - freedom struggle - mughal empire - gandhi - nehru - akbar. Is all. Indian history is long overdue for a huge revamp. We need more balanced views of the independence movement. We need greater exposure to non-Delhi kingdoms that shaped the major…

When I was in school(2002-2012), the Maharashtra state board history education was Maharashtra centric, not delhi centric. Most of the history lessons revolved around the maratha empire, their enemies. Few years were dedicated to freedom struggle, world wars and ancient history.

Even then though, there was very little about even other kingdoms who ruled present day Maharashtra, so there is clear need of diversity in history education.

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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Most Indians are in fact happy about that slide, given that 80%+ of the country are Hindus. What a shame!

There is a silent secular majority in the country that wants absolutely nothing to do with this drivel (i.e., the slide referred to in the parent and what some politicians say as referred to in the GP post). We have always had crackpots (sometimes crackpots in positions of power/influence) who spout nonsense on all flavors of political ideology. Unfortunately, media (traditional and social media) amplifies the nonsen…

As a secular Indian, I highly doubt that majority, or even plurality of Indians are secular. If anything, I've seen most of my friends go from being secular to conservative moderates/hardliners in last few years. I know quite a few people who would support Muslim genocides, including my family.

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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Understanding that atoms are the foundation of matter and evolutionary adaptation are fundamental to life goes directly against any religion that purports alternate explanations. There is nothing innocuous about this, it is a theocratic censure.

They are teaching chemical elements, atoms and all. It is just that periodic table is moved from class 10 to 11.

There is also reasearch that periodic table is difficult to teach in secondary schools.

https://www.ejmste.com/article/reflections-on-teaching-perio...

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