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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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post #588

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Can't they pull the data from archive.org?

Archive.org is a non-profit without the capacity to serve that many requests. An excellent resource for people to use carefully, but not a treasure trove for bots to scrape down to the last bit.

Would be cool if they introduce some reasonably priced access for mass scrapers. Should make some nice income in addition to donations, and a valuable service to community.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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post #837

I have seen a lot of "wow, Reddit is over" comments here and on reddit. There will absolutely not be any meaningful exodus from Reddit. Unfortunately, we as a society are pretty bad at organizing and of course prone to overestimating outrage. In any event, this is clearly absurd pricing. Its tough to tell if this is deliberate to simply kill appollo and cater to a usecase that makes them some money at the same time,…

Personally, if Apollo goes, I will stop visiting Reddit. Especially if old.reddit.com goes too, which is likely. To be honest, I'll be happy to cut Reddit out of my digital habits. There's a few things I'll miss but HN, Slashdot and e-books will easily replace that gap.

Wtf is Apollo

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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post #846

Is it so unreasonable to charge 12k for 50mln requests? I don't know. Is it so unreasonable to charge 20m/year to a super popular iOS app? I don't know. Does apollo make money from this? Do they take advertisement income? But I imagine, if you are the most popular app, on the most popular mobile platform, of a very popular site like Reddit, there has to be a lot of money floating around no? They definitely have incom…

Apollo charges a fat subscription for their app so the reality is that they’re just mad they’re losing their income.

The numbers they posted suggest they could still easily be in profit with these charges, they just wouldn’t be making 20m profit.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Personally, if Apollo goes, I will stop visiting Reddit. Especially if old.reddit.com goes too, which is likely. To be honest, I'll be happy to cut Reddit out of my digital habits. There's a few things I'll miss but HN, Slashdot and e-books will easily replace that gap.

Wtf is Apollo

A Reddit client. It’s what the headline of TFA is referring to.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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I'm having trouble remembering right now but I think that's how they got a prior app. Or maybe Twitter. Or Gmail getting an iOS app with amazing search... These firms hirebuy (like acquihire but more money) a single dev with an amazing tool, and not long after the tool is terrible and the dev is out of there.

Alien Blue. I was a user back when I had an iPhone and it was wonderful.

Yes, loved it. They destroyed it. Each of these firms took something and destroyed it, or if not destroyed it, replatformed onto a different ethos (see Brian Acton and WhatsApp, and him walking away from a final billion dollar check).

I think it's fair for the authors of these tools to do well. I encourage creators to monetize when they can. Just get the check up front so you can go create the next thing, because no matter what the acquirer says, you are unlikely to remain aligned.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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What kind of thing are you thinking of caching? Because when I visit a page I expect to see the latest posts, with their current scoring.

I don't know how Apollo works and that's why I lifted it more as an open question. But my HN client cache the frontpage when you go through the articles so you have to manually press a button to refresh it once you want to see something new. Does the latest scoring from this minute actually matter? Similarly, there's little need to automatically refresh the comments if you go away from a thread and click back within…

Do you know what Reddit is or what kinda of site it is? People post content and send and receive messages. How would that be cached? I don’t think the average person uses multiple hundred per day, that is skewed by the highest power users (moderators performing thousands of actions.)

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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I definitely see Reddit going the way of Yahoo! A slow spiral into irrelevance because of lots of small bad decisions. At one point, Reddit felt like a lone champion of free speech and conversation in a sea of buzzfeeds. I think they've moderated the website into ruin. They've put a lot of energy into silencing certain kinds of voices/opinions while promoting others. What's left is a very liberal echo chamber. All of…

nothing is stopping you from starting conservative versions of things on reddit. Reddit has been since it started pretty left leaning, but they don't stop r/conservative from existing as long as they maintain some decorum rather than act like 4chan or r/TheDonald which was riddled with nuts and russian bots. There are a ton of conservative leaning subs on there, just don't expect them to have thousands of visitors li…

The isolation of particular viewpoints into their own subreddit is precisely the problem imo.

There are political undertones in nearly every subreddit. But depending on which sub you are visiting, you can be downvoted or even banned for not having the "accepted" viewpoint. There's no place to have balanced discussion anymore, and that's one of the things that used to make reddit enjoyable.

Creating more siloed echo chambers isn't a fix, it's the problem.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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post #480

I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…

Reddit initially monetized using Adzerk. Apollo should do exactly what you are pitching and just use the same engine to sell ads.

My understanding is that Apollo isn't allowed to show ads based on reddit's new TOS. The only monetization strategy open to Apollo is a premium subscription.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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What kind of thing are you thinking of caching? Because when I visit a page I expect to see the latest posts, with their current scoring.

I don't know how Apollo works and that's why I lifted it more as an open question. But my HN client cache the frontpage when you go through the articles so you have to manually press a button to refresh it once you want to see something new. Does the latest scoring from this minute actually matter? Similarly, there's little need to automatically refresh the comments if you go away from a thread and click back within…

A Reddit engineer commented that Apollo uses 3x more API requests per user compared to other Reddit clients. There’s definitely room for optimization and I find Christian’s attitude off putting that his users just naturally “use more” API calls:

https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update...

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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post #846

Is it so unreasonable to charge 12k for 50mln requests? I don't know. Is it so unreasonable to charge 20m/year to a super popular iOS app? I don't know. Does apollo make money from this? Do they take advertisement income? But I imagine, if you are the most popular app, on the most popular mobile platform, of a very popular site like Reddit, there has to be a lot of money floating around no? They definitely have incom…

Apollo charges a fat subscription for their app so the reality is that they’re just mad they’re losing their income. The numbers they posted suggest they could still easily be in profit with these charges, they just wouldn’t be making 20m profit.

The majority of Apollo users I reckon are using the free app. The paid app ("Pro") is what I use, but I do not use the subscription ("Ultra").

https://apolloapp.io/pro-ultra/

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