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Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by nunobrito » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 11:19 AM UTC

slaw wrote: post #8

prohobo wrote: post #4

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Not sure how this is fascist. Explain?

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Yep. Perhaps people are simply tired of bullshit or propaganda. On this specific case it is even illegal to question the accuracy of their claims. Yet, these claims are repeated ad nauseam as unquestionable truths just like in the medieval times.

Modern inquisition polices the social networks. Anyone who dissents the established facts is silenced by those who rule society. Are the citizens today really that different from humans in the dark ages? One thing is for sure, at least they only paid 10% taxes on their income.

Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by RicDan » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 11:28 AM UTC

prohobo wrote: post #4

squarefoot wrote: post #2

Far right extremism - call it with its name: fascism - is gaining traction every year in may EU countries, including mine. I have no idea if that's more the result of ruthless politicians speaking to people's bellies rather than their minds, which is a well known recipe for success among uneducated masses, or simply that more people don't trust progressive parties anymore (which could be explained by growing vote abs…

Not sure how this is fascist. Explain?

Not sure what storming, disturbing and leading to the cancellation of an event that describes historical occurrences else is. A normal hobby? Surely not.

Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 11:30 AM UTC

squarefoot wrote: post #2

Far right extremism - call it with its name: fascism - is gaining traction every year in may EU countries, including mine. I have no idea if that's more the result of ruthless politicians speaking to people's bellies rather than their minds, which is a well known recipe for success among uneducated masses, or simply that more people don't trust progressive parties anymore (which could be explained by growing vote abs…

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Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by RicDan » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 11:33 AM UTC

monopolyofpain wrote: post #10

squarefoot wrote: post #2

Far right extremism - call it with its name: fascism - is gaining traction every year in may EU countries, including mine. I have no idea if that's more the result of ruthless politicians speaking to people's bellies rather than their minds, which is a well known recipe for success among uneducated masses, or simply that more people don't trust progressive parties anymore (which could be explained by growing vote abs…

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Do you have examples of ridiculous ideas? Maybe I'm in an isolated position, but I don't see anything ridiculous

Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by Veen » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 11:35 AM UTC

RicDan wrote: post #12

prohobo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how this is fascist. Explain?

Not sure what storming, disturbing and leading to the cancellation of an event that describes historical occurrences else is. A normal hobby? Surely not.

Left-wingers also storm, disturb, and try to cancel events, so it's not an exclusively "fascist" pastime.

Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by nme01 » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 11:39 AM UTC

The problem with the scholar mentioned here is that a lot of his research is considered biased. This case is not so black and white.

The MP mentioned in the article is considered by most Poles a freak at best (and a foreign agent by many).

Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by RicDan » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 11:39 AM UTC

Veen wrote: post #15

RicDan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what storming, disturbing and leading to the cancellation of an event that describes historical occurrences else is. A normal hobby? Surely not.

Left-wingers also storm, disturb, and try to cancel events, so it's not an exclusively "fascist" pastime.

Don't disagree, the wing doesn't matter, both can still apply fascist strategies

Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by nme01 » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 11:45 AM UTC

I’m quite disappointed that HN gets more and more political news here (which are not objective truths but are portrayed as such). Could we please keep it free of politics and more technology focused?

Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by monopolyofpain » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 11:58 AM UTC

RicDan wrote: post #14

monopolyofpain wrote: post #10

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Do you have examples of ridiculous ideas? Maybe I'm in an isolated position, but I don't see anything ridiculous

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Re: Far-right MP forces abandonment of Holocaust scholar’s lecture

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Post by arp242 » Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 12:01 PM UTC

The Polish holocaust debate is rather interesting, because Polish people (as in, ethnic Poles) were both victims and perpetrators; millions of Polish were killed during the holocaust, and the plan was to kill up to ~85% of them and use the rest in forced labour (i.e. slavery, basically) to make lebensraum for more worthy people. Slavs weren't considered as bad as Jews, but still untermenschen.

At the time same, it's obviously true that some Polish people were also perpetrators.

It's interesting to watch the debate; it's not just far-right extremism or fascism that opposes the more nuanced view. There are a lot of emotions involved and it raises interesting questions about what it means to "be Polish", to "be a victim", group identity, shared national identity, etc.