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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by SergeAx »

Eji1700 wrote: post #418

Everyone saying their pricing is absurd had better get ready for the new wave of API pricing. Like every other industry, there's a growth period where things are new and prices are reasonable, and then there's the "squeeze" where bean counters come in, make charts that are likely bs, and explain how much easier it'd be if we charged 4x as much for half the customer base. Twitter was one of the first to give access to…

But it doesn't make a lot of sense: people will just start to scrape sites again. APIs was there to make the process less painful for servers and control who scraping what and how fast.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by Shekelphile »

halJordan wrote: post #606
Eji1700 wrote: post #418

Everyone saying their pricing is absurd had better get ready for the new wave of API pricing. Like every other industry, there's a growth period where things are new and prices are reasonable, and then there's the "squeeze" where bean counters come in, make charts that are likely bs, and explain how much easier it'd be if we charged 4x as much for half the customer base. Twitter was one of the first to give access to…

If you go into that thread there are people begging Selig to charge them 4x what Apollo Ultra costs. And they're begging him to charge it to everyone all the time. This can't just be laid on the feet of faceless bean counters or old men in the executive suite.

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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by rektide »

Sites should publish their data with Signed Http Exchange (sxg) data. So other sites can share the raw data among themselves freely.

This current cruel control over all user data is amoral. It has no effect on bad people, & only hurts those trying to do right & to improve situations.

If sites want to make money, it should be for doing more than being the site of record for user content. SXG is a viable path forward to let the internet be authentically better connected.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by habi »

gaudat wrote: post #480

I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…

> I hope to see Apollo go down this route.

Make it work with https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy would be one idea. I have absolutely no clue how hard this would be though.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by nnain »

Alternatively (and I know many folks won't like this idea), Reddit can offer to buy out Apollo and the other 2-3 top iOS and Android apps with a generous Discounted Cash Flow market value; These Apps have put a lot of effort in development over the years and they have helped make Reddit better and more accessible.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by wand3r »

I have seen a lot of "wow, Reddit is over" comments here and on reddit. There will absolutely not be any meaningful exodus from Reddit. Unfortunately, we as a society are pretty bad at organizing and of course prone to overestimating outrage.

In any event, this is clearly absurd pricing. Its tough to tell if this is deliberate to simply kill appollo and cater to a usecase that makes them some money at the same time, or simply a dumb idea.

Finally, I really don't want to sound like a shill for big companies like OpenAI/Google etc, but where do companies like Quora and Reddit get off selling their APIs at big numbers? Like screen scraping is legal and this data was contributed directly by users. In reddits case, literally the entire idea, community, subreddit and moderation are all handled by unpaid users. I get that capitalism exists, but its kind of fucking bullshit they think they can sell this. Like everything, if the price is out of whack, I hope people spin up scrapers and build their own API

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by codethief »

danijelb wrote: post #327

The web went in the wrong direction when we abandoned the initial concepts of user agents, which was that the browser has the ultimate choice of what to render and how. That concept, transferred to today's world of apps would simply mean that any client like Apollo is essentially a browser locked on Reddit's website, parsing HTML (which has the role of an API) and rendering the content in a native interface. As long…

> parsing HTML (which has the role of an API) and rendering the content in a native interface

That's a nice dream but the reality is that HTML would be a really bad API, even worse than SOAP.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by atraac »

robotnikman wrote: post #496
api_or_ipa wrote: post #346

The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads, and thus, every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue. Unfortunately, reddit is in that late stage monetization step where they need to prove they are capable of big revenue to justify a high IPO share price. One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. So far, reddit has been very careful rais…

Yep, Reddit has reached the enshittification stage as a company

Pretty sure they reached that stage long time ago when they redesigned their UI into an unusable, slow mess of an interface that noone asked for.
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