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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by lmm »

onion2k wrote: post #564
xavdid wrote: post #513

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> every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue That's maybe true as a first-order effect. But, for the ads that everyone else sees to be worth anything, the site has to be worth visiting at all. If your most dedicated/prolific users mainly post/comment using third party apps, then making their experience worse will reduce the quality of the site overall (even if you start getting reve…

If your most dedicated/prolific users mainly post/comment using third party apps... Thats really easy for Reddit to measure. Why are you assuming they haven't? It strikes me as a very shortsighted move. If you stop assuming that Reddit is run by idiots, and you consider the likely probability that they've modelled this stuff in some depth, it's easy to believe that your initial assumption is wrong, and that the users…

Historically when a large organisation does something that looks really dumb, it's usually exactly as dumb as it looks. I'd expect most individuals to make better decisions about Reddit than Reddit does, because of the whole "the intelligence of a group is that of its dumbest member divided by the square root of the number of people in it" effect.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by majormajor »

qball wrote: post #638
armchairhacker wrote: post #585

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This is such a good idea even without Reddit's monetization and potentially blocking NSFW content. To me it seems obvious. It's also something that's actually likely to succeed and within the community's control, unlike getting Reddit to change their stance. Like, there's nothing stopping this from developing right now. - "There won't be as many people." That's ok, probably even a good thing. 1.5-2.5 million users ar…

>the only reason Reddit is even considering moving ahead with these changes is because they don't care No, they're just flailing. The problem with Reddit is that its product is ideological conformity ; but its owners are too busy pretending (or actually believing) that's not true to sell it honestly. Mods are, to put it bluntly, mostly replaceable, and charging for the ability to moderate an established large subredd…

This seems like a very convoluted way of saying "advertisers like to know what they're going to be displayed next to, unmoderated UGC makes that difficult." A group of people could be talking about sports without sharing any non-sports-related ideologies or rules beyond "keep it PG" and advertisers would have no issue with that. While that same group of people but in the context of sharing porn would be very advertiser-unfriendly.

That's an ancient (in internet terms) problem, framing Reddit as some sort of intentional ideology-spreading-loss-leader-for-powerful-capitalists doesn't correspond with their actions - after all, Reddit has been deeply involved in the spreading of all sorts of ideas on all ends of political spectrums.

They're just running into the same issues all these "give something cool away then hope you can make it profitable later" business do of trying to turn the revenue knobs slowly enough to not drive everyone off.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by jasonladuke0311 »

yreg wrote: post #478
mjr00 wrote: post #367

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> It will really go into freefall when they go public later this year, after which I'm certain you'll start seeing more intrusive monetization. Yep, and with more intrusive monetization comes stricter content controls. Once Reddit bans NSFW content -- which is "when" not "if" at this point -- it's going to lose its relevance as a platform.

What's up with the markets disliking NSFW content? I thought sex sells… I would rather invest in reddit with NSFW content allowed than in reddit with NSFW content banned.

No company wants to see a screenshot of their ad above someone being buttfucked while dressed up as some anime character

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by afavour »

qball wrote: post #638
armchairhacker wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a good idea even without Reddit's monetization and potentially blocking NSFW content. To me it seems obvious. It's also something that's actually likely to succeed and within the community's control, unlike getting Reddit to change their stance. Like, there's nothing stopping this from developing right now. - "There won't be as many people." That's ok, probably even a good thing. 1.5-2.5 million users ar…

>the only reason Reddit is even considering moving ahead with these changes is because they don't care No, they're just flailing. The problem with Reddit is that its product is ideological conformity ; but its owners are too busy pretending (or actually believing) that's not true to sell it honestly. Mods are, to put it bluntly, mostly replaceable, and charging for the ability to moderate an established large subredd…

I’m sorry, who is buying “ideological conformity” for it to be worth so much? Everything you’ve said sounds great but I’m trying to dig under the surface and I’m honestly confused.

Reddit’s product is ad-supported message boards. It has a high valuation because it gets an incredible number of eyeballs every day and investors want to monetise them. Reddit is flailing because those users aren’t as monetisable as investors hoped. I don’t think it’s a whole lot more complicated than that, not everything has to be a political conspiracy theory.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by aaron_m04 »

witchesindublin wrote: post #634
armchairhacker wrote: post #585

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This is such a good idea even without Reddit's monetization and potentially blocking NSFW content. To me it seems obvious. It's also something that's actually likely to succeed and within the community's control, unlike getting Reddit to change their stance. Like, there's nothing stopping this from developing right now. - "There won't be as many people." That's ok, probably even a good thing. 1.5-2.5 million users ar…

I actually think that Reddit is more "mass market" than tech-savvy. I never associate Reddit with techies in my entire life, unless you mean the people who move into tech for money.

How about "literati" instead of "tech-savvy"?

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by Ulus »

pyuser583 wrote: post #757
armchairhacker wrote: post #585

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This is such a good idea even without Reddit's monetization and potentially blocking NSFW content. To me it seems obvious. It's also something that's actually likely to succeed and within the community's control, unlike getting Reddit to change their stance. Like, there's nothing stopping this from developing right now. - "There won't be as many people." That's ok, probably even a good thing. 1.5-2.5 million users ar…

I don’t do 4chan, but I know people IRL who do. They seem to think it’s pretty good. Is there a chance it’s getting better?

I’ve used it off and on since 2005 and /b/ has always been bad, while the tech and music boards have been pretty good.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by lost_tourist »

gaudat wrote: post #480

I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…

I would definitely 100% join Apollit if that happened. but only if they allowed 3rd party clients.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by jethro_tell »

Eji1700 wrote: post #418

Everyone saying their pricing is absurd had better get ready for the new wave of API pricing. Like every other industry, there's a growth period where things are new and prices are reasonable, and then there's the "squeeze" where bean counters come in, make charts that are likely bs, and explain how much easier it'd be if we charged 4x as much for half the customer base. Twitter was one of the first to give access to…

This kinda assumes that people won't leave in mass. Digg migration took like 60 days.

I think especially in a forum where people tend to be semi anon. This isn't staking out a facebook name and keeping up with highschool friends. I know a few user names by sight on reddit but I really don't care if I hear from them again and I don't expect they care about me.

Makes leaving to anywhere that can put together a decent UGC interface pretty simple. It just feels like other than content, which reddit doesn't actually post, there's not much in the way of network affect.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by gaudat »

naru_s wrote: post #699
gaudat wrote: post #480

I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…

Sounds familiar to me :o)

#good#

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by [deleted] »

pyuser583 wrote: post #758
Devasta wrote: post #643

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The tech isn't the challenge with something like Reddit, even the comically inept Reddit leadership could figure it out after all. The difficult part is finding a few hundred mods willing to work for you for free, filtering all the filth that tries to be posted. Only if they have a solution for that can try going their own way.

Honestly I think the tech is an issue. Most web development is downloading. Social networks have massive uploading and frequent changes. Twitter literally invented microservices because of this.

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