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Post by minhazm »

jakear wrote: post #773
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #454

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> Unfortunately with today's SPA apps we don't even get the HTML directly It works the other way: with today's SPAs the API (that powers the frontend) is exposed for us to use directly, without going through the HTML - just use your browser's devtools to inspect the network/fetch/XHR requests and build your own client. ----- On an related-but-unrelated note: I don't know why so many website companies aren't allowing…

CORS ruined this pipe dream. Ideally you’d be able to tell your browser that website X loading content from site Y was a-okay and exactly what you want to happen because site Y is user-hostile and site X addresses all those issues, but alas. Now the only way to access site Y is by a) routing all your data through some third party server, or b) installing a native application which has way more access to your machine…

Technically you can still do that by launching chrome with some special flags or with a chrome extension.

But I do agree that CORS is being hijacked/abused for this purpose. But at the same time it's an important security feature. It prevents the scenario where you visit some website and some malicious javascript starts making calls to some-internal-site/api/... and exfiltrating data.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by joegibbs »

jdminhbg wrote: post #31

> Even if I only kept subscription users, the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month, which is over double what the subscription currently costs, so I'd be in the red every month. I just don't understand why developers underprice their apps so much. You're talking about an app that people are constantly raving about, and that people use for multiple hours per day. Charge $5/mo…

I doubt that people would be paying for Disney+ or Netflix if there was an free alternative that had slightly worse UX, that was officially sanctioned and available at the top of the app store if you searched for them. The appeal of those two is access to the content - Reddit has an official website and app where the content can be accessed for free.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by [deleted] »

minimaxir wrote: post #42
berkle4455 wrote: post #20

The data is all fully public and easily scraped from APIs (both reddit and twitter). Who is the audience for these paid plans? Is this for oauth enabled access on behalf of users?

In Reddit's case data scraping is soon to be against the Terms of Service (which is already the case for Twitter), which will earn you a Cease and Desist if you try to make a business off the data.

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Post by lmm »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #705
imiric wrote: post #669

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Good. It's about time for more people to move on to better platforms. Twitter is a cesspool, and Reddit has some good communities that will be better served from a platform that's not ruled by a greedy corporation that couldn't care less about its users.

Why is Twitter a cesspool? I interact mainly with WFH tech people who garden and I think it’s absolutely wonderful. There’s no reason to follow or interact with anyone who is negative.

Most people have a range of interests, and most interests have a range of people. If you follow people you'll see stuff you don't like, and if you follow hashtags then as soon as they get popular they get hijacked by entryists. Plus the site is optimised for ragebait - that's the natural result of the emphasis on short posts and the algorithm that optimises for "engagement" - so even if you're following the right people and the right hashtags you'll still see the worst parts of them.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by ornornor »

gaudat wrote: post #480

I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…

Christian (Apollo’s author, the Reddit app in question) isn’t a paragon of virtue either.

The app has been regularly nagging existing paid users, who paid to remove ads in the app, about “amazing” deals to “upgrade” to a monthly subscription to the app to get some virtual stickers and other silly things of dubious value over and over. People complain about it every time they come up on the Apollo subreddit, directly mention the app’s author, who has yet to ever respond on this matter.

I think Reddit is being greedy, but I’m only sad if Apollo goes away because the Reddit client is so shitty; not because I love Apollo.

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Post by preommr »

pyuser583 wrote: post #758
Devasta wrote: post #643

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The tech isn't the challenge with something like Reddit, even the comically inept Reddit leadership could figure it out after all. The difficult part is finding a few hundred mods willing to work for you for free, filtering all the filth that tries to be posted. Only if they have a solution for that can try going their own way.

Honestly I think the tech is an issue. Most web development is downloading. Social networks have massive uploading and frequent changes. Twitter literally invented microservices because of this.

> Twitter literally invented microservices because of this.

Service-oriented architecture: Am I just a joke to you?

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by nichos »

typeofhuman wrote: post #754

RIF is Fun is also going away because of this. https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_de... It's the only reason I use reddit and I will definitely not use the site anymore if this app goes away. Probably a good thing...

This is soley how i access reddit now. I closed my account a few years ago (time sink and don't agree with their censorship), but it's nice to hop on occasionally as a lurker. Oh well, like you said, probably better.

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Post by echelon »

dang wrote: post #743
armchairhacker wrote: post #585

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This is such a good idea even without Reddit's monetization and potentially blocking NSFW content. To me it seems obvious. It's also something that's actually likely to succeed and within the community's control, unlike getting Reddit to change their stance. Like, there's nothing stopping this from developing right now. - "There won't be as many people." That's ok, probably even a good thing. 1.5-2.5 million users ar…

> I believe HN has around 1.5-2.5 million HN has about 5M unique monthly users depending on how you count them.

Thank you for sharing this, dang!

Any stats you can share on registered user engagement?

I'd love to see a breakdown or writeup on this subject in general.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by genmud »

tnel77 wrote: post #678
imiric wrote: post #669

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Good. It's about time for more people to move on to better platforms. Twitter is a cesspool, and Reddit has some good communities that will be better served from a platform that's not ruled by a greedy corporation that couldn't care less about its users.

What are these better platforms? Genuinely curious.

You are talking on one of them.
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