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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Because they're also taking this opportunity to change rate limiting from client_id+user_id to just client_id. To stay inside the free tier, you get 1000 requests spread over 10 minutes (their current spike-smoothing behaviour) across your entire user base.

I'm not that great at APIs. Is client_id something you have to register with reddit? So you can't, for example have a client_id per user? What if you as the app maker forced all your users who want to use your app to go register for their free personal client_id for their own personal API use, and then you have them give that client_id to the app along with their OAuth with they log in? I am just trying to understand…

client_id is effectively "apollo" in this context.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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You also don't understand how 95% of the world or 80% of HN lives. $5/month is a very significant expense.

For the world? Yes it is. For the average HN user? Lol, no it’s not. I would wager the majority of HN users can point to several dumb >=$5 expenses in any given month. If you don’t value Apollo enough to pay for it, fine. Just don’t pretend that $60 a year is a morally outrageous amount for software.

$5 per month for Reddit is silly though. Expensiveness is based on the value/return of whatever you are buying.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

#535
Transparent attempt at shutting down clients that don’t show their ads. When Apollo stops working, I stop using Reddit. Their official app is garbage. Their website is garbage. Good riddance probably, I spend way too much time on it anyway. I even use the iOS Apollo app on my Mac because I like it so much, even if the experience isn’t perfect it’s still loads better than the official one.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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> One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. I think a critical part of the Digg exodus was that most people already saw Reddit as a clear #2 in the space. When Digg fucked up, there was an obvious place for everyone to migrate to. I don't see that right now. Facebook isn't cool anymore, Twitter has a large number of people who won't use it because of Elon, Mastodon isn't mature e…

Discord seems the most likely, it matches the subreddit model and a lot of Reddit communities already have a discord. Obviously Discord is chat focused so not a one-to-one replacement but I am not sure that the younger generations will care. Plus there is the possibility of discord adding a Reddit/forum like feature, since they already have the mindshare.

> Discord seems the most likely

Reddit is about discovering content. How would you discover anything on Discord? Is there a trending list to see the top messages? Is there a way to list Discord communities so you can discover ones matching your interest?

I'm at a lost to how the two are similar in any way except for the "young generations" use them both.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

#537

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> One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. I think a critical part of the Digg exodus was that most people already saw Reddit as a clear #2 in the space. When Digg fucked up, there was an obvious place for everyone to migrate to. I don't see that right now. Facebook isn't cool anymore, Twitter has a large number of people who won't use it because of Elon, Mastodon isn't mature e…

Discord seems the most likely, it matches the subreddit model and a lot of Reddit communities already have a discord. Obviously Discord is chat focused so not a one-to-one replacement but I am not sure that the younger generations will care. Plus there is the possibility of discord adding a Reddit/forum like feature, since they already have the mindshare.

Discord already has forums.

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/6208479917079-...

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

#538

The web went in the wrong direction when we abandoned the initial concepts of user agents, which was that the browser has the ultimate choice of what to render and how. That concept, transferred to today's world of apps would simply mean that any client like Apollo is essentially a browser locked on Reddit's website, parsing HTML (which has the role of an API) and rendering the content in a native interface. As long…

> Unfortunately with today's SPA apps we don't even get the HTML directly It works the other way: with today's SPAs the API (that powers the frontend) is exposed for us to use directly, without going through the HTML - just use your browser's devtools to inspect the network/fetch/XHR requests and build your own client. ----- On an related-but-unrelated note: I don't know why so many website companies aren't allowing…

> allowing users to pay to use their own client

On the user side you need to:

- pay the service a recurring fee

- pay the client probably a recurring fee (x2 or x3 if you use multiple clients on different platform)

- mix and match the above and manage when it falls out of sync

It's totally possible, but how many users are willing to go that route ? Weather apps could be an example of that with the pluggable data sources, but that's to me a crazy small niche.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

#539

Everyone saying their pricing is absurd had better get ready for the new wave of API pricing. Like every other industry, there's a growth period where things are new and prices are reasonable, and then there's the "squeeze" where bean counters come in, make charts that are likely bs, and explain how much easier it'd be if we charged 4x as much for half the customer base. Twitter was one of the first to give access to…

If you make more money it's hardly BS. There are supply and demand graphs and you can reasonably calculate how many customers you lose/gain from a price increase/decrease.

reddit's users are creating the content for the other users, so a drop in users means less or worse content. Doubt you could model easily with a demand chart.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

#540
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I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…

This is sort of just the cycle of social media though. Facebook has the same stigma, it's unavoidable as the first wave ages.
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