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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by buildbot »

abletonlive wrote: post #179
willio58 wrote: post #7

Wow, that price is insane. To me, that's pretty clearly a shot at any competitor apps for Reddit. Purely anti-competitive behavior here, which to me is silly. Let other apps pop up to better serve your users. At the end of the day, they are still your users and you might learn things from the other apps. Who ever came up with that price is looking for short-term profits over user happiness and long-term growth.

The idea that it's anti-competitive to do with your platform what you want is in my mind silly. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from building a reddit clone to compete against reddit besides your ability to attract their users. It comes off as extremely entitled to think that reddit should supply you with the data created by their platform to do what you want with it.

Um, the users create the data, and consume it. Reddit provides a "marketplace" for that, and sells your data in exchange. Now, they want to rent-seek from the very people making it possible to create and consume that content easily.

And it IMO, is anti-competitive - they are intentionally killing all existing competitors, vs. improving their own offering.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by kenhwang »

willio58 wrote: post #7

Wow, that price is insane. To me, that's pretty clearly a shot at any competitor apps for Reddit. Purely anti-competitive behavior here, which to me is silly. Let other apps pop up to better serve your users. At the end of the day, they are still your users and you might learn things from the other apps. Who ever came up with that price is looking for short-term profits over user happiness and long-term growth.

On the other hand, I think the price is damn steal. If Apollo's numbers are to be believed, Reddit is willing to sell its traffic at ~$2.50/user/month. That's half the value of a pre-Musk Twitter user and a third of the value of a Facebook or video streaming user.

So, if you already have a sophisticated ad tech and sales team, you'd be able to pull 50%+ profit margin without having to worry about running the infrastructure for content.

That being said, there's maybe only a handful of companies with a more competent ad tech/sales team than Reddit, and Reddit's is pretty damn bad. So while the numbers make sense, the strategy does not given the competencies available in the market they're trying to sell in.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by fooey »

flutas wrote: post #104
RhodesianHunter wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit has seemed rudderless for a long time. Their ads platform is damned near useless compared to their competitors. It's a wonder they have any revenue at all. Their moderation is wildly broken, frequently leading to blanket account bans of anyone participating in a thread close to content deemed inappropriate.

> Their moderation is wildly broken, frequently leading to blanket account bans of anyone participating in a thread close to content deemed inappropriate. I reported someone in the news sub. Paraphrasing but apparently reporting someone for saying "they should all burn to death" (talking about govt officials) 1: isn't ban worthy, and 2: is "abuse of the report button" and led to me getting a 3 day ban. I'm out.

Yeah, reporting abuse on reddit is a minefield

The lesson I learned is not to report anything because trying to be helpful is not worth the risk of blowback

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by eatsyourtacos »

alfalfasprout wrote: post #169
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #142

Reddit is getting destroyed by tiktok for casual news/random videos etc. I was a huge reddit user over the years, but now I only go there for a handful of very specific subreddits. That's really it's only use anymore. It's great for that, but they are probably seeing massive decline in usage. And the moment they basically kill 3rd party reddit apps is the day I barely touch it again.

I can't really agree. The curation on reddit just far, far better outside of the super generic frontpage subreddits. Tik tok is 99% garbage content.

But that's what I mean- for the few specific places to go, sure it's great. However I only need to go to something like an /r/nfl or /r/valheim for a few minutes each day to catch up on some specific news like that I want to see.

For checking out completely random things, or funny things, or just to brwose around... that's where tiktok destroys them now.

>Tiktok is 99% garbage content

That's... a statement.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by avdlinde »

azemetre wrote: post #150
bluescrn wrote: post #145

Please Reddit, just let us use a web browser to access your web site. Users shouldn’t be forced so aggressively into using an ‘app’ - whether the official one or a 3rd-party app - when mobile web browsers are so very capable.

Ever since learning the phrase "enshittification" [1] from Cory Doctorow it becomes more apparent when it happens around you. I wonder if there is a "fediverse" for something like forums? I can never get into mastodon because it's not like forums and conversations between people are quite hard if you don't follow them. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

Unfortunately that wired website seems to be following the enshittification protocol.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by thewataccount »

Banbeck wrote: post #171

Well, looks like this is the end of any social media use for me. Reddit was already hanging by a thread for me. Not being able to use Apollo for this will be the last nail in the coffin.

Serious question and I don't mean anything negative - Do you consider HN to be social media?

Using it as just a news source seems really valid.

And it feels different from other social media platforms because of the focus on full discussions. But surely this still counts as social media?

Genuinely asking because I see you made your account just to post this comment - why did you do that? It's not a bad thing (I'm here too), I'm just curious why you felt it was important to do?

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by fooey »

kenhwang wrote: post #222
willio58 wrote: post #7

Wow, that price is insane. To me, that's pretty clearly a shot at any competitor apps for Reddit. Purely anti-competitive behavior here, which to me is silly. Let other apps pop up to better serve your users. At the end of the day, they are still your users and you might learn things from the other apps. Who ever came up with that price is looking for short-term profits over user happiness and long-term growth.

On the other hand, I think the price is damn steal. If Apollo's numbers are to be believed, Reddit is willing to sell its traffic at ~$2.50/user/month. That's half the value of a pre-Musk Twitter user and a third of the value of a Facebook or video streaming user. So, if you already have a sophisticated ad tech and sales team, you'd be able to pull 50%+ profit margin without having to worry about running the infrastr…

none of the 3rd party apps are real companies with resources

they're passion hobby projects that'll disappear rather than turn into a job

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by LeoPanthera »

idiotsecant wrote: post #212
Zetice wrote: post #162

I blocked the reddit.com domain from all of my devices a few weeks ago, because until recently I didn't feel like I could keep my finger on the pulse of "The Internet" without Reddit. That's no longer the case. Google's "For You" gets me my niche subject-specific content, Google News/Memeorandum (and its sibling sites)/Apple News gives me the mainstream media perspectives, HN (and maybe Bluesky occasionally) my urge…

What do you do isntead of appending 'reddit' to google search? I could imagine dropping everything else but search is terrible for a lot of things without it.

For what it's worth, you should append "site:reddit.com" instead of just "reddit", to avoid being tricked by sites which simply include the word reddit.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

rickreynoldssf wrote: post #194

Reddit Permabanned me (13 year old 450k karma account) after I went after crypto scammers, calling out the scam with details etc. I got tons of coins or whatever gifted to me and even more thanks and way to go from users. Evidently reddit considered it harassment (of the plain as day scammers) and won't budge after an appeal. So, f reddit.

The appeals aren't monitored by humans in a meaningful way. You expect some human to look into it for 10 minutes, see that your comments aren't abusive and that there is some merit...

But they have someone once or twice a week look at a list of 200 appeals at a time, dismiss all 200 after glancing at the subject line of all of them together for 15 seconds, and then move on to the next page.

There is nothing they want from a 13 year old account. You're a liability. You still use old.reddit.com, they want to get rid of that without backlash. You want 2007's reddit back where you could have amazingly intelligent discussions on just about anything with dozens of other people who are essentially anonymous to you. They want to be Facebook, with ijits clicking on tiktok videos.

It's quite possibly they're just banning old accounts so they can re-invent themselves as a spammy Facebook/Instagram/whatever clone. You're in the way.

It'd be a mistake to assume that they're pro-bitcoin-scammer, when mostly they're just generically evil and want what you liked about Reddit to be long dead.

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