Nobody mention that their RSS feeds still work...
Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#152Their pricing is just absurd. Reddit's official app and webpage is garbage, and instead of working with amazing developers like Christian to add whatever functionality they need to increase their revenue, they're doubling down on bad decisions and alienating their users. Pure hubris... they've forgotten their own history and why the Digg exodus happened. Seriously, _what_ are they gaining by eliminating access to thi…
> If they want more ads, they can change the APIs to inject them. Reddit wants freedom to arbitrarily change the design of their app and placement of ads, etc. Ads are a huge (primary?) source of revenue for them. If they are tethered to supporting third party clients, it's harder to make reasonable estimates of how many captive users will see ads or new features. Reddit could enforce ad presentation in third party c…
> It really isn't worth the time or effort if you can just charge third parties the cost to cover loss of ad views.
I really want to be the fly in the room looking at their grafana for monthly active users and see what happens to it in the coming months.
I’m someone with ADHD and obsessive behavior is kinda one of the main symptoms of it. I think with this change, it’s not going to be hard for someone like me to drop it.
I suspect that because of these changes, Reddit is also going to make it harder for search engines to index them - which is going to further reduce how useful Reddit is for information discovery.
This is going to hurt reddit, and I personally don’t think the growth is going to be as strong as it has been once they take these actions. Social media sites depend on their users, and arguably only a small portion of their users create content. And a smaller portion that than create useful content. Once you’ve pissed off and pushed away that small %, you’re not recovering.
I’m guessing this is some decisions made by MBAs who have learned some theoretical stuff, but don’t realize their courses haven’t really covered businesses like Reddit, Twitter, StackOverflow etc. They’re in for a rude awakening.
Remember that Tumblr effectively died once they made some decisions.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If they want more ads, they can change the APIs to inject them. Reddit wants freedom to arbitrarily change the design of their app and placement of ads, etc. Ads are a huge (primary?) source of revenue for them. If they are tethered to supporting third party clients, it's harder to make reasonable estimates of how many captive users will see ads or new features. Reddit could enforce ad presentation in third party c…
you can just charge third parties the cost to cover loss of ad views Except that's not what Reddit is doing here. They're charging 3rd party clients ~21X what they lose in ad views, pricing them completely out of the market.
A big claim like this requires a source and not handwavy estimates from the person who is impacted by this change (and upset for good reason!).
Otherwise I will ignore this claim because we simply don't know what ad revenue per user is, and we don't know what Reddit's projected future revenue per user is, which I would also expect to be covered by this pricing.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#154Please Reddit, just let us use a web browser to access your web site. Users shouldn’t be forced so aggressively into using an ‘app’ - whether the official one or a 3rd-party app - when mobile web browsers are so very capable.
Ever since learning the phrase "enshittification" [1] from Cory Doctorow it becomes more apparent when it happens around you. I wonder if there is a "fediverse" for something like forums? I can never get into mastodon because it's not like forums and conversations between people are quite hard if you don't follow them. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/
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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#155Was the API free to use before this?
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#156Company that can’t make money desperately tries to gouge profit out of stuck users. There’s a playbook for this.
In the end users must be for the service in one way or an other. Either be it add impressions, subscriptions, selling imaginary stickers or charging a lot for using the API...
Not sure why couldn't subscription cover the API use for the user.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#157Nobody mention that their RSS feeds still work...
While I use RSS for many things, I find Reddit's RSS feeds rather useless due to the large volume of posts, even on moderately small subreddits. If there is some way to limit it to just the top posts of the day I would consider using it, but AFAIK it's all or nothing.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If they want more ads, they can change the APIs to inject them. Reddit wants freedom to arbitrarily change the design of their app and placement of ads, etc. Ads are a huge (primary?) source of revenue for them. If they are tethered to supporting third party clients, it's harder to make reasonable estimates of how many captive users will see ads or new features. Reddit could enforce ad presentation in third party c…
It does seem fair to charge third parties approximately the same in ad revenue that you would have gotten from the same users on a first party app. Then the third party app can choose between adding their own ads, or charging a subscription.
Why not let users bring their own keys? I wouldn't mind paying $2-3 to use Apollo. Apollo has to also pay 30% of their revenue to Apple so their subscription fee will be way higher and not feasible for most users.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#159It's business. While I do hate reddit with the passion of a thousand burning suns I acknowledge their right to set their API prices however they wish. They are not a monopolist by any stretch of the word.
Sure, but nobody suggested otherwise.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reddit has seemed rudderless for a long time. Their ads platform is damned near useless compared to their competitors. It's a wonder they have any revenue at all. Their moderation is wildly broken, frequently leading to blanket account bans of anyone participating in a thread close to content deemed inappropriate.
> Their moderation is wildly broken, frequently leading to blanket account bans of anyone participating in a thread close to content deemed inappropriate. I reported someone in the news sub. Paraphrasing but apparently reporting someone for saying "they should all burn to death" (talking about govt officials) 1: isn't ban worthy, and 2: is "abuse of the report button" and led to me getting a 3 day ban. I'm out.
I mean for Reddit that is "abuse of the report button". It's a very tame comment compared to a lot of what's posted and considered acceptable. What did you expect or think should have been the outcome of reporting that?