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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by philipkglass »

rootusrootus wrote: post #32
sosodev wrote: post #25

Keep in mind that Reddit has said they're going to stop serving NSFW content via API too. So if you enjoy that stuff you won't get it in Apollo even if you pay them.

Reddit seems to want NSFW content gone altogether. At this point you can only see it anonymously if you go to old.reddit.com, if you go to the regular UI it requires you to authenticate before you can see any kind of questionable content.

It looks like it's currently blocked on "new Reddit" only for mobile user agents. If I try opening https://www.reddit.com/r/boobs/ in a desktop browser (or with a desktop agent on mobile) I get an option to just click on an "I'm over 18" button to see the content.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by SirMaster »

They say that the free tier API for users will be 100 queries per minute.

Why can't a third party app use each user's individual API queries for that user's app usage? Like you have the user OAuth with the app, and then the app uses that user's own user API access to query the API. 100 queries a minutes seems like it should be enough for most people.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by rvz »

paulddraper wrote: post #87
raydev wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they want more ads, they can change the APIs to inject them. Reddit wants freedom to arbitrarily change the design of their app and placement of ads, etc. Ads are a huge (primary?) source of revenue for them. If they are tethered to supporting third party clients, it's harder to make reasonable estimates of how many captive users will see ads or new features. Reddit could enforce ad presentation in third party c…

Exactly. Same reason why Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, etc. don't have alternative clients. Nothing unusual. Reddit is proceeding along the well-trodden path to monetization optimization.

Yes. I don't see how this is a problem. It is their service which is subject to change at anytime. Either make money and pay for access to the API or shutdown.

Realistically, it was only a matter of time. Also predicted here: [0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34447084

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by jsnell »

fluidcruft wrote: post #101
robbiet480 wrote: post #17

Reddit has posted their own announcements now https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_upda... and https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update...

> As of July 1, 2023, we will enforce two different rate limits for the free access tier: > If you are using OAuth for authentication: 100 queries per minute per OAuth client id > If you are not using OAuth for authentication: 10 queries per minute So... doesn't this mean that each logged in Apollo/3rd party client user can make 100 requests per minute for free? The Apollo developer says his average user makes less t…

The client id is per-app, not per enduser.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by mmis1000 »

Alupis wrote: post #60
jdminhbg wrote: post #31

> Even if I only kept subscription users, the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month, which is over double what the subscription currently costs, so I'd be in the red every month. I just don't understand why developers underprice their apps so much. You're talking about an app that people are constantly raving about, and that people use for multiple hours per day. Charge $5/mo…

I agree. The OP makes the case that it will cost him on average $2.50 per month per user - so... charge $3 per month - no blog post needed. Same with Twitter. So many businesses were built upon basically free API access and are now shocked the company responsible for their app's customer appeal wants some of that action. It's not Reddit's responsibility to float OP's business and make it profitable. OP's billions of…

Honestly, reddit is the only one irritated me enough that I get a third party app. The ass behavior of popping sub I didn't subscribe and pretend it is a notification of reply to me just drives me insane.

They are just truly shitty at make a working app. It's really not a business or what, just the official one truly don't work.

Popup ad to notification is already bad, pretend it to be user message? How the fxxk do they think it is going to encourage the engagement?

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by fluidcruft »

londons_explore wrote: post #107

I think reddit is being naive by charging per API request. Do that, and application developers will try to reduce them - for example, caching popular subreddits or posts (ie. "this is /r/technology as it looked when we last crawled 15 minutes ago"). If Christian added a cache layer on his own server he could easily make the finances work. But... Thats in nobodies interest - Users end up with stale content, Reddit loo…

Does the API work that way now? The part on your own server used to only be for authentication and clients would then interact with reddit's servers directly. (Haven't done anything recently but used to maintain a moderation bot).

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by PaulHoule »

izzydata wrote: post #81
PaulHoule wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not at all accidental. Elon Musk has given cover for other social media sites to imitate many of his moves, such as Facebook introducing a subscription tier.

Why would they want to imitate a failing business model?

It's not about being rational, instead it is a kind of "vice signalling" between billionaires.

It would be a better question to ask "Why did Mark Zuckerberg buy successful VR game companies and shut their games down?" (if you were having fun you wouldn't visit Horizon Worlds) or "Why did Zuckerberg damage a successful brand by renaming it?"

It's not about money, it's about power. The primary currency of power is deference and if one powerful person demonstrates they can take an action and get deference that action is appealing to other powerful people who want to prove they can to do the same.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by SirMaster »

lapcat wrote: post #89
Alupis wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. The OP makes the case that it will cost him on average $2.50 per month per user - so... charge $3 per month - no blog post needed. Same with Twitter. So many businesses were built upon basically free API access and are now shocked the company responsible for their app's customer appeal wants some of that action. It's not Reddit's responsibility to float OP's business and make it profitable. OP's billions of…

> The OP makes the case that it will cost him on average $2.50 per month per user - so... charge $3 per month Apple takes at least 15% of that, or 30% depending on the developer's revenue, leaving $2.55 or $2.10.

Why not just make the users pay for their own API requests?

Reddit even gives each user 100 API queries per minutes for free.

Why can't apps use that to access the data for each user?

When I go use an app that talks to OpenAI for example, it asks me to put in my API key. So why not just do that for third party reddit apps?

I think the app can just ask the user to OAuth with it and then it should be able to use that user's API access up to the free rate limits.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by fluidcruft »

jsnell wrote: post #114
fluidcruft wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As of July 1, 2023, we will enforce two different rate limits for the free access tier: > If you are using OAuth for authentication: 100 queries per minute per OAuth client id > If you are not using OAuth for authentication: 10 queries per minute So... doesn't this mean that each logged in Apollo/3rd party client user can make 100 requests per minute for free? The Apollo developer says his average user makes less t…

The client id is per-app, not per enduser.

Really? That's super dumb of Reddit. Maybe Apollo can just let users drop in their own API keys.
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