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San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by pc86 »

apsurd wrote: post #63
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #32

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No, most people move to a city for a job - not because they think the average person that lives there is some aspirational target. SF had an abundance of jobs that paid a boat load of money, and people moved there to take those jobs. Not because it's close to Muir Woods and has the best weather in the world, and the people at cafes wear cool t-shirts (although nearly everyone who moves to SF tries their hardest to co…

What? I know we're talking about SF but the LA example is much more obviously clear: so everyone in LA _is actually in entertainment_ when they move? The servers and baristas went there "for the job" as a server and barista, but also acting, of which they already have well paying jobs in? I'm not even making sense to myself. Point is, absolutely... there's an aspirational part to moving to a big city, and yes they mo…

There are probably a hundred thousand places in California alone where you can be "closer to nature" than San Francisco.

Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by lanstin »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #32
ethbr0 wrote: post #14

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People move to a city because they want to be more like the people who already live there. But if too many move in too fast, the city instead becomes like them.

No, most people move to a city for a job - not because they think the average person that lives there is some aspirational target. SF had an abundance of jobs that paid a boat load of money, and people moved there to take those jobs. Not because it's close to Muir Woods and has the best weather in the world, and the people at cafes wear cool t-shirts (although nearly everyone who moves to SF tries their hardest to co…

Problem is a lot of people already in SF where not there for tech jobs, but beauty, art, banking, social movements, good industrial work, fishing/canning jobs, all that sort of thing. The unusually high software/tech related salaries have somewhat diminished the ability of the other folks to enjoy the lifestyles they previously enjoyed.

Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by criddell »

f1yght wrote: post #28
fundad wrote: post #9

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People are in denial about aging out of city living.

Why would you age out of having amenities closer to you? If anything, as you get older things should be even closer.

Because the amenities you value change over time. There’s very little I want or need in the city any more. Plus these days, lots of amenities will come to you.

If the car companies manage to get level 5 self driving working well, I’ll move even further out of the city.

Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by chucksta »

not_the_fda wrote: post #106
ajkjk wrote: post #65

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> You're seeing this everywhere. Chicago, Philadelphia, and so on - although the problem may be worse in San Francisco I don't think this is true at all? Where are you getting this statistic? San Francisco (and a few other west coast cities) are the only ones in the country I've been to that feel _dramatically_ worse with each passing year.

Philly is a literally a city of zombies that will stab you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl0fDm7HSQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1Kf-1qd6Y

Kensington is hardly an example of the city, it was a mess before the pandemic. Drug epidemic is bad but that's all cherry picked, dude even said it https://youtu.be/nl0fDm7HSQ0?t=169 "one block is clean, the next isn't"

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Post by Arrath »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #45
bluefishinit wrote: post #36

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> Cities are struggling in the post-pandemic era as the rising cost of living due to inflation in food and other essentials has driven more criminal activity Wouldn't it make more sense and be potentially more cost effective if the focus was on giving people food and other essentials so they could survive without having to steal scooters? Police and prison are super expensive. You're going to be paying for the food,…

It seems to be an unfortunate truth that private, for-profit prisons are the opposite of expensive.

How do you mean? Are you supposing they are more cost-effective that public run prisons?

Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by robotburrito »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #32
ethbr0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People move to a city because they want to be more like the people who already live there. But if too many move in too fast, the city instead becomes like them.

No, most people move to a city for a job - not because they think the average person that lives there is some aspirational target. SF had an abundance of jobs that paid a boat load of money, and people moved there to take those jobs. Not because it's close to Muir Woods and has the best weather in the world, and the people at cafes wear cool t-shirts (although nearly everyone who moves to SF tries their hardest to co…

I moved here because of the location, not the jobs. I could care less about standing about in an open office with noise canceling headphones all day. If you want a walkable place to live that is near some of the most wonderful cycling in the entire world, it is hard to beat.

Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by Aunche »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #46
sylens wrote: post #29

You're seeing this everywhere. Chicago, Philadelphia, and so on - although the problem may be worse in San Francisco. Cities are struggling in the post-pandemic era as the rising cost of living due to inflation in food and other essentials has driven more criminal activity, mostly around theft. This is happening at the same time where many cities are also trying more progressive, reform-based approaches to policing a…

A lot of city residents need to come to terms with the fact that some of these progressive criminal justice reforms may need to be adjusted a bit, given that we now have years of evidence of their effects. And/or: We need to make affordable housing available, make a car-optional lifestyle more viable, etc. "The beatings shall continue until morale improves" isn't an effective approach to anything, especially since if…

Interesting how you're characterizing enforcement of property crime as "beatings", and not stealing things as "morale".

Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by [deleted] »

wallwariyan wrote: post #30

this is an overreaction from suburban midwestern types. the people that have lived in the bay area and been priced out of sf will keep the region going. the rest will either fit in or move out of the area after publishing an out of touch medium blog post about their experiences

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Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by modriano »

f1yght wrote: post #28
fundad wrote: post #9

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People are in denial about aging out of city living.

Why would you age out of having amenities closer to you? If anything, as you get older things should be even closer.

People don't value all amenities equally, and as people age, their personal amenity-valuations change, often in stepwise ways. For example, prior to having a school-aged child, an individual might value good-elementary-school-access very little, but if they have a child, their valuation of that amenity will likely rise sharply within a few time-needed-to-move units of their kid being school-aged.
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