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India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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it is education standard if you are on the right side of it, sometimes you see it as the formation of the new soviet man if you are not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Soviet_man

I’m sure homeschooled kids aren’t indoctrinated, at all.

of course they are, its a choice do you let the state do that or the family

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>"Exam" isn't commonly used in American English. Huh? Is this a homeschool trend? Final exams are the cornerstone of US secondary and tertiary education.

The word "exam" isn't really used in American English. Tests are definetly a thing in the US.

Exam's used in American English, plenty. It tends to connote something a bit more serious or formal than a test, but I don't think you'd get much of a difference in reaction just using the two interchangeably, in most contexts. At worst, you'd come off a bit pretentious, using "exam" to describe lesser tests.

"Test" dominates in primary and secondary school, "exam" becoming more common in post-secondary education and for professional certifications et c., but both occur in both contexts.

Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks

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It's only affecting 10th grade CBSE (NCERT), not ICSE or state board* exams, let alone competitive board exams like the JEE (Engineering) or NEET (Medicine). It's still being taught in the NCERT books as well, but now in 12th grade instead of 10th grade. The scarier thing should be the rewriting of the history section of CBSE. * board is Indian English for curriculum Also, on the hierarchy of Indian board exams: Top…

> The scarier thing should be the rewriting of the history section of CBSE. That is the one I am looking forward to. Indian history today is freedom struggle - mughal empire - freedom struggle - mughal empire - gandhi - nehru - akbar. Is all. Indian history is long overdue for a huge revamp. We need more balanced views of the independence movement. We need greater exposure to non-Delhi kingdoms that shaped the major…

I'm not sure NCERT will ever be able to teach about ethnic diversity within India correctly - it's too politically loaded. For example, I'm Pahari. According to NCERT, we're a Hindi speaking ethnic group, though our Pahari languages are completely indecipherable to Hindi speakers (Eg. Sadh khol lal nukke heghe. Chaiyda tenu?) and we are classified as a different language group from Hindi. Similar reductiveness is applied to the "Hindi Heartland" by removing the ethnolinguistic diversity of Central India (eg. Bihar historically wasn't Hindi speaking until the 1970s because of Hindi oriented literacy programs).

If it's bad enough for highly represented regions of India, imagine less well represented areas like the North East, the Ghats, etc.

The big issue is NCERT and most grade school Indian historical education takes a very "Delhi" centric view of Gupta-Small Kingdoms-Delhi Sultanate-Mughals-British-Independence, but this chronological ordering is true for only a subset of India. South Indian kingdoms (itself a problematic term), Indigenous movements, the entire ethnographic history of the Northeast and the Northwest, etc all get ignored. That said, this is a bipartisan problem - doesn't matter if it's INC, BJP, whatever who's in power.

Also, there is a dearth of qualified teachers for the CBSE curriculum.

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This makes no sense to me. This highly unlikely to be a political move. Science education is not political in India. Evolution, abortion, chemistry are not debated at all. This is more likely for the reasons to be innocuous. > In explaining its changes, NCERT states on its website that it considered whether content overlapped with similar content covered elsewhere, the difficulty of the content, and whether the conte…

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Evolution is not an opinion, it is a fact based on reproducible and falsifiable experiments. You can even simulate evolution and see it at work. https://rednuht.org/genetic_cars_2/ You can also see evolution taking place within our lifetime (nylonase evolved to eat nylon, a man-made substance from the 20th century). I do not mean to be rude or start a flamewar, but we have to stand our ground when it comes to scienti…

Unquestionable facts do not exist in science. It is not how the scientific method works. It is a serious issue that the basic foundations of scientific method are now completely misunderstood by the vast majority of the public. This issue is spilling into politics and academia, as showed completely clearly with covid and terms like 'The Science' being used in an outright authoritarian or even religious way. I think s…

You make it seem more subjective than it is. Scientific progress represents a "local maximum" of the best available explanation we can provide.

If you have proof for a better explanation then that explanation becomes the accepted one.

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This makes no sense to me. This highly unlikely to be a political move. Science education is not political in India. Evolution, abortion, chemistry are not debated at all. This is more likely for the reasons to be innocuous. > In explaining its changes, NCERT states on its website that it considered whether content overlapped with similar content covered elsewhere, the difficulty of the content, and whether the conte…

Ah, you are not reading the situation right. The fascist elements have hijacked the term "science". Nowadays, it is science if you say that cowling protects against atomic radiation ([1]) or you say that ancient India had interplanetary travel ([2]) .. note that the latter was at an official track at the Indian Science Congress on science in ancient India. If the vedas said something, that is science. If the white ma…

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This makes no sense to me. This highly unlikely to be a political move. Science education is not political in India. Evolution, abortion, chemistry are not debated at all. This is more likely for the reasons to be innocuous. > In explaining its changes, NCERT states on its website that it considered whether content overlapped with similar content covered elsewhere, the difficulty of the content, and whether the conte…

My hunch is it's probably NEP related.

They are trying to do away with School Leaving Certificates at Grade 10, which means you can spread out curriculum across 12 years.

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Reading the source that Nature cites, it seems like the content has been made temporarily unexaminable ‘in light of COVID’, rather than the section actually getting cut from the textbook. https://ncert.nic.in/rationalised-content.php Could any Indian with a new physical textbook perhaps confirm? It’s a rather concerning policy. The headline also seems awfully clickbaity. What the policy seems to have done is shifted…

Here's the new textbook - https://ncert.nic.in/textbook.php?jesc1=0-13

It still teaches Mendelian genetics (chpt 8), but then entire book seems severely dumbed down compared to older NCERT textbooks I've read before when bored on India trips.

It might be because now you can't graduate high school in the 10th grade anymore in India - now you can only graduate at the 12th grade or transfer to a vocational college for 11th and 12th.

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Unquestionable facts do not exist in science. It is not how the scientific method works. It is a serious issue that the basic foundations of scientific method are now completely misunderstood by the vast majority of the public. This issue is spilling into politics and academia, as showed completely clearly with covid and terms like 'The Science' being used in an outright authoritarian or even religious way. I think s…

You make it seem more subjective than it is. Scientific progress represents a "local maximum" of the best available explanation we can provide. If you have proof for a better explanation then that explanation becomes the accepted one.

Essentially every model is wrong and will be continually replaced with an improved one. Classical mechanics was incredibly convincing. Don't fall into the fallacy that our era is the first to have it all solved. It isn't subjectivity, it is the objective philosphy of science and definition of scientific method. There was a time when your messages would be applied to argue that Earth is the centre of the universe and people were killed if they disagreed.

For evolution in particular, I am not religious at all and probably have as much 'faith' in the basics of it as any evolutionary biologist would, but there are massive questions still open, like abiogensis being completely unsolved

>If you have proof for a better explanation then that explanation becomes the accepted one.

There is no proof, there is only evidence. It simply takes some softer wording to say 'we observe x, so we conclude y' instead of proof and facts

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