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I want both. The office is energizing. Collaboration is amazing. Food and amenities take pressure off. White boards, conference rooms. Everything is always clean. Hanging out after hours with an open bar and video games helps with bonding. Working from home is comfortable. There's no pressure, no transit, and you can build it however you like. You can interleave your chores, focus without distraction, and be around t…
Great comment. This is exactly it. The best of both worlds is when you live close to the office and have the flexibility to come and go whenever you please. For companies that means either an office in a place like Manhattan where they know that they can hire young talent in close proximity to the office, or an office somewhere in the suburbs where they can attract older folks.
Remembering GitHub's Office, a Monument to Tech Culture
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OMG, those barstools with the flat bottoms. Painful after 10 minutes. Who does this? I see this in co-working spaces all the time. Whoever designed them does not actually do any deep work. I just want a great chair and 3 monitors.
It baffles me too. They're for perching, not for sitting. Compare that with something like an upmarket Korean internet café, where all the chairs are supremely comfortable and the monitors are a gorgeous 4k 120Hz. It's really a lesson in the designers being the users. Internet Café owners in Korea generally grow up using them too. Tech offices are made by the same people who design hipster cafés, wealthy homes, and r…
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#83Looking back it really is funny how impressed people used to be by dumb office perks. Free food and coffee? Sure, for the convenience. But the slides, the ball pits, the scooters? Sure it might make the office a nice place to be but once the novelty wears off it's still really hard to beat working from home.
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#84It feels like HN leans toward the idea that remote work is always better. I disagree, but I recognize I'm in the minority here. But, I do want to point out that this happened: https://www.wired.com/2014/04/tom-pw/ Correlation is not causation, etc. BUT, to me it feels like this kind of thing would not have happened if there had been more consistent in office time. (ducks from the tidal wave of downvotes...) Sure, I i…
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#85Looking back it really is funny how impressed people used to be by dumb office perks. Free food and coffee? Sure, for the convenience. But the slides, the ball pits, the scooters? Sure it might make the office a nice place to be but once the novelty wears off it's still really hard to beat working from home.
> But the slides, the ball pits, the scooters? There is an extent to which the "cool tech office designer" role has been fulfilled by people who otherwise might've decorated kindergarten classrooms. It's a very strange convergence.
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Great comment. This is exactly it. The best of both worlds is when you live close to the office and have the flexibility to come and go whenever you please. For companies that means either an office in a place like Manhattan where they know that they can hire young talent in close proximity to the office, or an office somewhere in the suburbs where they can attract older folks.
No matter where a company is located some percentage of people will have lousy commutes. People buy houses then change jobs. Spouses have jobs a long way in the opposite direction. Commuting into a city is probably going to be bad if you don't live in the city. And so forth. Around major cities, a "good" commute is probably still a good 30 minutes.
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#87It feels like HN leans toward the idea that remote work is always better. I disagree, but I recognize I'm in the minority here. But, I do want to point out that this happened: https://www.wired.com/2014/04/tom-pw/ Correlation is not causation, etc. BUT, to me it feels like this kind of thing would not have happened if there had been more consistent in office time. (ducks from the tidal wave of downvotes...) Sure, I i…
Btw, the sexual harassment claim was later proven false by an independent investigation
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#88And check out the old Slack HQ: https://www.officelovin.com/2019/07/a-tour-of-slacks-super-s...
Both this and the pictures of the Github office show people primarily working 'casually', lounging on a couch or sat at a normal table. My office may be plain, but at least a proper monitor and an adjustable-height desk is considered essential.
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No matter where a company is located some percentage of people will have lousy commutes. People buy houses then change jobs. Spouses have jobs a long way in the opposite direction. Commuting into a city is probably going to be bad if you don't live in the city. And so forth. Around major cities, a "good" commute is probably still a good 30 minutes.
True. But even those with lousy commute can come in once a week. My company currently set Thursday as the day everyone is expected to come. It's also the only day with lunch provided. The other days only those with short commutes come in. On Mondays and Fridays the office is usually very quiet. We also have out of state folks. They are of course fully remote but expected to visit the main office 2-3 times a year, dep…
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#90The love for the word meritocracy in tech came from a culture of optimism. Optimism affected each layer of the system differently. Executives loved these kinds of office spaces because it was an easy sell to investors, partners, future employees, and clients. Their value was expressed in opulence. For engineers that optimism was expressed in attitudes and greenfield development - the slogans of yesteryear are artifacts of that "In meritocracy we trust", and "Don't be evil".
Of course, a decade after greenfield development had stuck around it became just the field. There's been a shift in tech recently which I think comes from recognizing that as much as you may desire it to move more quickly, the world moves at its own pace. You can seemingly make the ball move more quickly in the short term but in the lattice of time the ball has still moved marginally. People grew up and realized that the optimism we had worked for a few, but not always the ways we intended, and at times worked backwards.
That's not to say we're in a cynical rut, just that things aren't as glossy. San Francisco and the surrounding Bay Area became unaffordable to live in even for engineers. No longer could you have a house, you had to be happy with an apartment or a condo priced a few orders of magnitude above what national averages were. Commutes became long and those that had moved to SF in the early days or already owned homes voted not to improve expanding train lines so that more workers could come to work while enjoying the same fruits those early workers had. The dream soured.
I was in SF as this all changed. I met a wonderful woman, I switched to a remote job, and I moved to a place with less tech workers. I still love writing code, if you visit my house the space dedicated to creativity is quite a set. I have other hobbies though; I have multiple gardens and a greenhouse, a place for chickens, and a space for my dog to run like an idiot.
I never got the millions that people would murmur and dream about. I got what $475k in SouthEast Portland, Oregon would afford me and I was more than happy with that. It's why I'm so adamant that working from home is the right thing to do. I don't need a short order cook, my deli guy will do. I don't need a huge space dedicated to open air conversations, Slack huddles out of my parlor or on my patio will do. I don't need a sardine can office to maximize developers/sqft my quiet office will do.
The optimism, in my eyes, shifted from one centered around the company and the progress we could make as an industry to, "Where can I go to do what I do and make progress with a community that is not work?" That's to say, tech is rediscovering that it is part of the open world, not the leader of it.
Good article; it's thought provoking and I'd read it again. It's a good reminder of where we were a seemingly short time ago.