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Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by superice »

Tainnor wrote: post #117
marcus_holmes wrote: post #101

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Useful, I guess, but that seems to be inverting the responsibility. The code needs to have comments inserted into it referring to the state of Jira, rather than the other way around. The thing I'd like to see is that ticket "Write the login page" is automatically marked complete when the codebase contains a working login page, there are unit and integration tests for the login page, and maybe (depending on how you do…

What you're describing looks like magic to me. How would your ticket system know, without it being told (in some way, e.g. through backreferences from the tests), that a particular feature has been implemented? That's very likely going to be a formally undecidable problem.

Writing end-to-end UI tests to validate a certain behavior and then automatically resolving a ticket once those tests pass seems really cool though. Not sure how realistic in practice, but it's definitely an interesting concept.

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by IshKebab »

GuB-42 wrote: post #54
smallerfish wrote: post #4

I love seeing competition for Jira, because it needs to die, but I think you need to do a better job explaining your value prop. Your first bullet list of features doesn't really make it sound all that different. Why would I have a better time using this than Jira, bearing in mind that I'd be giving up custom workflows and probably a lot of integrations? (No shade intended. If you can answer that concisely, put that…

Is Jira that bad? It sure is a mess, but that's because its requirement are a mess. It is not SAP but that's the idea, something that sits between developers, testers, management, customers, etc... People who want different things, speak different languages, and somehow need to work together. If you just want an issue tracker, there are many options. Bugzilla, Mantis, GitHub, GitLab, Gitea,... Some of them customizab…

It's pretty bad. The actual interface has improved a lot over the last 5 years, but it's still very unintuitive and has weird limitations. For instance you can't have proper hierarchical tasks. In Phabricator you can just give tasks a parent task and it will display the whole hierarchy. Very useful. In Jira, a task can be a child of an Epic... and that's it. You can have "subtasks" but they aren't really full tasks so you get 2 or 3 levels of hierarchy max.

Another example: tasks can't be part of more than one project. Have a task that affects multiple projects? Tough. Pick one.

The backlog doesn't update immediately when you edit tasks on it. You have to refresh.

But a big part of the problem with Jira is that it is highly configurable and you always end up with project managers massively overcomplicating things. You get dozens of issue types, dozens of statuses, weird automation rules etc.

It's not awful, it's just surprisingly bad at its core task.

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by gervwyk »

29athrowaway wrote: post #43
pdappollonio wrote: post #37

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Native Spanish speaker that builds software for English speaking markets: I don't think I would write a software or make screenshots where I would think first to put names like Juan or Pedro in them if the target audience is English speakers. When you're writing English it just feels like the names flow better, that's all (like, avoiding stutter in a sentence, but with names). I don't think it would be fair to say we…

Why not? Also you could use "Joe" and "Pedro" instead. To me it seems even more global.

Valid. I get your point.

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by cutemonster »

viharkurama wrote: post #28
kirbyfan64sos wrote: post #20

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Check out Taiga: https://www.taiga.io/ By the creators of Penpot, free plan is basically only missing premium support. Not sure about the login though...there seem to be some plugins for it, not sure how that works with the hosted version?

We have a singular focus working only on Plane and making it big for everyone. We are still in early stages, so had to rush on few decisions, but we treat every user the same.

What's the differences between Plane and Tagia? (I actually came to think about Tagia me too when I saw this HN about Plane)

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by intelVISA »

smallerfish wrote: post #4

I love seeing competition for Jira, because it needs to die, but I think you need to do a better job explaining your value prop. Your first bullet list of features doesn't really make it sound all that different. Why would I have a better time using this than Jira, bearing in mind that I'd be giving up custom workflows and probably a lot of integrations? (No shade intended. If you can answer that concisely, put that…

Value prop:

- It's not Jira

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by otikik »

GuB-42 wrote: post #54
smallerfish wrote: post #4

I love seeing competition for Jira, because it needs to die, but I think you need to do a better job explaining your value prop. Your first bullet list of features doesn't really make it sound all that different. Why would I have a better time using this than Jira, bearing in mind that I'd be giving up custom workflows and probably a lot of integrations? (No shade intended. If you can answer that concisely, put that…

Is Jira that bad? It sure is a mess, but that's because its requirement are a mess. It is not SAP but that's the idea, something that sits between developers, testers, management, customers, etc... People who want different things, speak different languages, and somehow need to work together. If you just want an issue tracker, there are many options. Bugzilla, Mantis, GitHub, GitLab, Gitea,... Some of them customizab…

It’s “death by a thousand cuts” for me. On planning meetings I usually take notes on a notepad and transfer that to Jira after the meeting, because interacting with Jira directly (plus the swearing) would make the meeting take double the time.

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by xiaodai »

ian-g wrote: post #135
vxNsr wrote: post #124

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> I'm sure it was super painful for the people who had to actually set up the current flows, but I guess that once you customise JIRA to your needs, it can work really well. The issue probably is that many companies don't want to bother setting up good, streamlined processes, or just don't know how. It’s actually not as bad as you’d think to set up. The reason Jira is so universally hated is because everyone uses it…

And then you have some poor suckers doing their damnedest to balance all the demands of all the middle managers who all want servicenow customizations on priority. Truly just a horrifying situation to be subjected to.

Do u happen to work where I work? Lol

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by pas »

pigeons wrote: post #99
notatoad wrote: post #97

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Jira sucks in the same way that email sucks - the platform is fine, the stuff people put in it sucks. you probably don't hate jira, you hate your boss, or their boss, or your colleagues, or your business's development practices or prioritization. or your developer's productivity levels, if you're looking at it from the management side. but it's easier (and probably healthier) for jira to soak up that hatred. jira's g…

even a default jira is unusable just from a slowness perspective.

slowness, I can accept, but the extremely bad UX, byzantine inconsistency, some parts are SPA some are long forgotten wizards with useless and completely idiotic next-next-finish steps, some functions are so close to useful, but ultimately fall short because even though Jira can do anything it can't simply graph a fucking JQL result set over time, it simply doesn't have anything useful to report by default. Epics and subtasks and story points seems useful, sure, we picked it because it has the best scrum support, but there's no aggregation of points from subtasks to tasks. Oh, yes you can DIY with ducktape-and-hate using the new automation functionality, but it'll have the same bad UX of course, because it's not integrated, because it's Jira. It's hell. It's bad. It's ridiculous.

It's unfathomably tragicomic how the alternative offerings are also UX nightmares. PM tools are cursed, it seems.

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