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Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by viraptor »

sverhagen wrote: post #78
xp84 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having used Jira for only a modest 12 years, I have had multiple stages of feelings about it. I agree with the parent that “everybody” hates Jira because “it’s too complicated” — yet when developers try to use a lean, simple tool like Pivotal or Trello, inevitably other stakeholders demand something better for business users, these simpler tools can’t deliver that, and the replacement ends up being Jira 99% of the ti…

>because “it’s too complicated” I personally "hate" Jira because it's so dumb. I open an epic, to see the stories that still need my attention, it shows all the stories, so I hit the "Hide done". Then I thoughtlessly click on one of the stories, I edit it, go back to the epic, and now it shows all the stories again. Rinse and repeat. I open a screen, it loads slowly, when I think it's ready I click on whatever I want…

This applies to many systems I've seen and my short summary of that is "the bigger the system the more it resembles CRUD scaffold, because they stop implementing specific user flows".

Luckily it's a nice space to contract in, making simpler dedicated interfaces to the heavy enterprise stuff.

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by macintux »

throw0101b wrote: post #57
GuB-42 wrote: post #54

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Is Jira that bad? It sure is a mess, but that's because its requirement are a mess. It is not SAP but that's the idea, something that sits between developers, testers, management, customers, etc... People who want different things, speak different languages, and somehow need to work together. If you just want an issue tracker, there are many options. Bugzilla, Mantis, GitHub, GitLab, Gitea,... Some of them customizab…

> Is Jira that bad? As someone who had to admin an on-prem installation of various Atlassian products, upgrades were always a nightmare: you could try multiple dry-runs to make sure data tables were updated, and plug-in upgrades were good, but invariably there would still be a good chance that something would still go wrong when you tried it with production. The workflow we settled on was basically leave the old vers…

Atlassian seems to be pushing hard to get everyone into their cloud. I’ve heard, but don’t recall details and have no direct knowledge, that the pricing for an on-premises install has gotten outrageous.

Perhaps that’s because they’re spending too much money on supporting companies who are struggling with upgrades.

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by justahuman74 »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #79
GuB-42 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Jira that bad? It sure is a mess, but that's because its requirement are a mess. It is not SAP but that's the idea, something that sits between developers, testers, management, customers, etc... People who want different things, speak different languages, and somehow need to work together. If you just want an issue tracker, there are many options. Bugzilla, Mantis, GitHub, GitLab, Gitea,... Some of them customizab…

The problem I see is that Jira encourages "management by looking at Jira" - effectively Jira becomes a second source of truth that is unconnected and unconstrained by the actual truth (the code). Jira acquires state that has to be carefully maintained as a separate operation by the developers to keep Jira's state in sync with the actual state of the project. Since most of the organisation are looking at Jira, the eff…

You can write glue for whatever hosts your repository to make api calls to Jira.

Say you have some code that needs some changes but at a later time, you can put a comment above it (or really anywhere)

// JIRA: MYPROJ-123

When the glue sees that comment disappear from the codebase, it can mark the ticket as done.

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by Aurelius108 »

XorNot wrote: post #67
xp84 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having used Jira for only a modest 12 years, I have had multiple stages of feelings about it. I agree with the parent that “everybody” hates Jira because “it’s too complicated” — yet when developers try to use a lean, simple tool like Pivotal or Trello, inevitably other stakeholders demand something better for business users, these simpler tools can’t deliver that, and the replacement ends up being Jira 99% of the ti…

I don't know what value non-developers are getting out of Jira, because I've been asked to produce reports out of Jira at different times and the only thing they ever want is "give me a list of all the X" or "graph the number Y across all the projects". The one thing they all do is go in and mess with the issue workflows: they never improve the workflows, but they sure love adding states and restricted transitions an…

Nailed it, the biggest issue imho is those state transitions. Why make a state that can’t transition to all others? It takes forever to tease out the intention behind it. State machines are notoriously difficult in code, why add them into something unnecessarily?

Re: Plane: Open-Source Alternative to Jira

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Post by ezekg »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #16

Can it auto-delete issues untouched for the last 30 days? Idk if jira can, but this would be the single biggest productivity boost to any organization forced to use this sort of software.

Why would you want to do that? I personally hate those “stale issue” bots on GitHub, and this sounds like the same.
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