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Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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I would think that someone so gung-ho on unalterable ledgers would be less inclined to try to rewrite the facts of what's happened each time we've interacted — all interactions that you have initiated, I might add.

You seem to think that if you can make vague assertions that I've "brigaded" or "abused" or "bullied" or "sent an online lynch mob" after you, people will just take your word for it — and this is a pattern you've repeated several times now. They're welcome to review our past interactions, where you began by making massive assumptions about me and my motivations, where you continued to be incredibly arrogant towards me and towards others replying in the thread, and where I repeatedly tried to disengage. Taken aback by your arrogance and rudeness, I ultimately tweeted some screenshots of your own words, with the added text "this man called me vain last week" https://twitter.com/molly0xFFF/status/1516610542588284931 (and you had). As far as I can tell that's what you've decided was me "drinking your blood" (a bit over-the-top, if you ask me), rather than perhaps an opportunity to reflect on how you speak to other people.

Anyone reading this thread is free to see our interactions and decide if that's a fair characterization or not — again, I think the record speaks for itself: https://twitter.com/search?q=(from%3Aleashless%20to%3Amolly0...

I'll also note that we ended our last, unpleasant interaction by mutually agreeing to avoid the other: https://twitter.com/molly0xFFF/status/1517200861377839110. And yet here you are, blathering into the comment thread on a profile about me, because apparently your ego can't stand my mere existence. Perhaps your once-in-a-generation transformational intelligence could be put to use doing something other than coming after me at every opportunity, and then pretending I'm puppeting some sort of shadowy cabal to come after you (when the reality is that when normal people see arrogance of your calibre, they feel the need to comment on it).

Re: Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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Advertising for their crypto scam. "I'm one of the good ones" said every crypto scammer ever.

Advertising to whom? Haters? LMAO Molly White writes a very one sided blog which any anti-Web3 person can point to. It is like, say, Electronic Intifada or MondoWeiss that anti-zionists can point to. The point was to relate my experience with trying to reach out and welcome Molly on our show and discuss her thesis vs projects in the web3 space. Believe it or not, most scammers don’t work for 5 years and go $200K into…

> like, say, Electronic Intifada or MondoWeiss that anti-zionists can point to

Spare me your racist bullshit please. It's just a bit funny that this is the same thread where you desperately try to portray yourself as the reasonable person who will talk to all sides.

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can send private transactions on ZK rollups https://railgun.org/ https://app.umbra.cash/ https://spillways.finance/ https://mystiko.network/ https://cyclone.xyz/ https://www.privacypools.com/

And how do you get the money out. At the end of the days there's a magic internet money to real money transaction and that will get hit with KYC and suddenly the entire house of cards collapses. Or you never get the money out, but suddenly have a bunch of stuff and you get hit with taxes you can't pay because you didn't take the money out. Countries aren't just going to let people evade AML because it finances stuff…

Exchanges can see the assets I move through on-ramps and off-ramps, but (in the case of Zcash etc) they can't see all the on-chain activity in between, which is generally the more interesting part.

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I would think that someone so gung-ho on unalterable ledgers would be less inclined to try to rewrite the facts of what's happened each time we've interacted — all interactions that you have initiated, I might add. You seem to think that if you can make vague assertions that I've "brigaded" or "abused" or "bullied" or "sent an online lynch mob" after you, people will just take your word for it — and this is a pattern…

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I would think that someone so gung-ho on unalterable ledgers would be less inclined to try to rewrite the facts of what's happened each time we've interacted — all interactions that you have initiated, I might add. You seem to think that if you can make vague assertions that I've "brigaded" or "abused" or "bullied" or "sent an online lynch mob" after you, people will just take your word for it — and this is a pattern…

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6. The theory is to dispel the myth that blockchain is a fringe technology used only by those wanting to risk their livelihoods or possibly make their fortunes on volatile cryptoassets like Bitcoin.

7. The blockchain is now at a stage in its development equivalent to where the internet was in or around 1995. The internet was unstoppable in 1995 and blockchain technology is unstoppable now. It will become ubiquitous in all major industrial and financial sectors, simply because it allows for the immutable recording of data, thereby reducing friction in commercial and consumer transactions and obliterating the scope for dispute as to what has occurred.

8. As the Master of the Rolls and Head of Civil Justice in England and Wales, I hold an office that pre-dates modern trade in derivatives and reinsurance, even steam engines, powered flight, and certainly the internet. I am particularly and obviously concerned about the reputation and development of English law and the jurisdiction of England and Wales.

9. Many people do not realise that English law governs trading in €600 trillion of OTC derivatives annually, in €11.6 trillion in metals trading, in £250 billion in M&A deals, and in £80 billion in insurance contracts every year – just to take a few examples. My hope is that English law will prove to be the law of choice for borderless blockchain technology as its take up grows exponentially in the months and years to come.

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I think we can both agree that this is a well reasoned case made by a global expert in the field who is talking inside of his area of expertise: I feel that my view of the blockchain and its potentials is similar, although of course less nuanced. I think you should reconsider your position based on this analysis and the work of many other experts in the field. But you do you. By all means be the expert. Be the authority.

Tell people what to think. Right or wrong.

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Advertising to whom? Haters? LMAO Molly White writes a very one sided blog which any anti-Web3 person can point to. It is like, say, Electronic Intifada or MondoWeiss that anti-zionists can point to. The point was to relate my experience with trying to reach out and welcome Molly on our show and discuss her thesis vs projects in the web3 space. Believe it or not, most scammers don’t work for 5 years and go $200K into…

> like, say, Electronic Intifada or MondoWeiss that anti-zionists can point to Spare me your racist bullshit please. It's just a bit funny that this is the same thread where you desperately try to portray yourself as the reasonable person who will talk to all sides.

Are you just inventing new passive-aggressive ad-hominems as you go? I take it back, they're just aggressive.

And btw, I have engaged with both zionists and anti-zionists in good faith.

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The issue I have here is that someone turning down a request to be on your podcast does not, actually, mean that "she refuses to engage on these topics"; it may seem like a major litmus test for you, but in fact people are busy and we have to make choices about how to spend our time all the time. I'm sure that if she said yes to every crypto-enthusiast who messaged her "debate me!" she'd have no time for her own proj…

Have you seen her on any discussion ever, engaging with the issues or opposing views? Has she come on someone else's show or something? You're being very generous in your interpretations, not even Molly offered such explanations, she just went silent. The typical interpretation is that there is a reason she'd rather not get into further. And I can guess what that reason is. Her "crowd" wouldn't like it if she appeare…

Molly here.

I went on the Bankless podcast six months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Itd3g23QI. I debated Charles Hoskinson on a panel about "the future of crypto": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5p2gt7htDM&t=998s. I went on the Unusual Whales crypto podcast/Twitter space: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unusual-whales-pod-13-.... I've repeatedly gone on CoinDesk's show — sometimes for more adversarial conversations than others. I provided "The Bear Case for Crypto" on a two-part series by Scott Galloway https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGh... (Michael Saylor provided the bull case; unfortunately we were not in conversation directly). I went on the crypto podcast Digitally Rare a year ago: https://anchor.fm/digitallyrare/episodes/web3-could-be-going....

I apologize for upsetting you when I politely declined the invitation to come on your podcast, but it's simply not accurate to say that I don't "engage with the issues or opposing views".

My reason for declining was largely as drewbeck suggested. I also try to avoid coming on shows where I feel I am simply being used to draw engagement and interest in a specific crypto project, which was part of my concern with your specific invitation.

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You're assuming it breaks laws, but it doesn't have to, it just makes it easier to do something that's painful to do either by design or due to shitty economic circumstances. In some countries banks pop-up and fold a dime a dozen week to week. Does that mean someone shouldn't be able to send funds to their relatives in a fucked up country?

> You're assuming it breaks laws, but it doesn't have to, it just makes it easier to do something that's painful to do either by design or due to shitty economic circumstances Even if your sending end is regulated, at the other end, there has to be a regulated bank. If not, the person who is receiving the "money" could be breaking their country's laws. Cryptocurrencies don't magically change that. Otherwise, PayPal o…

People have been using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala to avoid problems with modern banks and regulations. How regulated is Hawala?

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Gold and crypto are already taxed the same and on the same level (capital gains). Go ahead and regulate fraud how is crypto packets flowing preventing you? The blockchain is more open and transparent than the banking system. Don't you wish you could see JP Morgans or the Pentagons books laid bare like the blockchain? > This is gold buggery. Which means gold does a fine enough job. It's really expensive to secure my o…

> Gold and crypto are already taxed the same and on the same level (capital gains)...It's really expensive to secure my own gold Gold bugs pay for their own security. Crypto outsources investigation, enforcement and regulation onto the public. > how is crypto packets flowing preventing you My taxes pay for investigation and enforcement. > Don't you wish you could see JP Morgans or the Pentagons books laid bare like t…

Good dialogue so far but you've lost me with this.

When I buy a big vault, extra door locks, a pitbull, and a gun to protect the gold I store at home to go full gold buggery, am I paying for the investigation, enforcement, and regulation of gold? This is what I mean by its expensive to secure my own gold.

When I store gold at a business that specializes in such services, am I paying for the investigation, enforcement, and regulation of gold?

If yes for either of these, how am I not paying for that same investigation, enforcement, and regulation of crypto when buying a vault for my crypto or paying one of many such companies to hold it for me?

I don't really get what you are subsidizing that you don't also subsidize for pokemon cards, private equity, or any collectable.

Gold is exempt from sales tax in most US states so I really have no clue what you are on about.

Incase I've missed something, on behalf of all crypto users you have my full permission to stop subsidizing all USG employees trying to investigate, enforce, and regulate crypto.

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> Even if your sending end is regulated, at the other end, there has to be a regulated bank. Are you referring to some specific regulation here?

The same regulations that mean you can't cheaply Venmo the person on the other end instead. If Venmo has to follow the law, cryptocurrencies have to follow the law as well. Being your own bank makes you liable to the same regulatory penalties that Venmo has to worry about.

Venmo moves dollars and crypto does not

Country A: person uses government regulated exchange/on-ramp to acquire crypto or mines it.

Country B: person receives crypto and trades it for local currency using a government regulated exchange

Which specific laws or regulations are being broken from which specific countries?

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