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Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
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Re: Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
#482Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many years ago, I read a comment on Slashdot saying "the fact of a programming language having a "code of conduct" makes it ripe for everlasting drama and politics." It made sense then and it makes sense now.
The reason slashdot is no longer relevant as the go-to tech discussion site is just because everyone who loves hating on "modern" things like CoC stayed, and everyone else left. These days it would be more strange to see a major project NOT have a CoC than seeing one. There is drama and politics in any large org whether or not there is a CoC or not.
Obviously these lists are incomplete. It was a lot harder finding major programming languages lacking a CoC than finding projects with one.
Language projects with a community Code of Conduct:
Python, Rust, Golang, Ruby, Perl5, Erlang, Elixir, Zig, ISO C++ (WG21 https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practice...), ISO C (WG14) https://lists.isocpp.org/liaison/2021/04/0444.php), ECMA/JavaScript (https://tc39.es/code-of-conduct/)
Language projects without:
Java (Oracle's, anyway), Nim
Re: Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
#483Earlier quoted context omitted.
If people think this is useful then it's their time to spend on it; it's not our choice to make. If you don't like it then you can just ignore it. I really don't see the problem.
It's not our choice, but we can debate the choice. I think it's a bad choice, for many reasons, one of which is that having multiple competing forks that are all Rust but not quite isn't going to help Rust adoption and is going to cause fence sitters to look somewhere else. Whenever this kind of drama hits a language eco-system it is bad for the language, there is plenty of precedent.
And if the community was confident in Rust's leadership, this wouldn't be happening.
Which, to me, makes it seem that "hey, don't fork the community" is kinda brutally missing the point at hand, or at least feels aimed in the wrong direction.
Re: Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
#484I looked in the github repo, and it seems the collective effort of all the 400+ commenters here is more effort than the authors gave to this “language”.
Someone just forked a repo and put on some “statements”. Okay. There is no real effort behind this.
Re: Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
#485Haven't ever used Rust and probably won't. Regardless, the melodramatic cliquey "I'm leaving the project" bluster as of late reminds me of my 14 year old self on various vbulletin forums and grants me conviction avoiding adopting this language and its ecosystem. I prefer the tools I use for building businesses to be administered by adults.
Re: Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
#486I disagree with the general sentiment in this thread that this is a useless immature move. Sure, Crab will almost certainly not replace Rust, but that is not the goal. The ultimate objective is to influence Rust stakeholders' decisions. This is similar to a strike where ultimately your goal is not to destroy the company or to quit and leave, but to achieve better conditions. In both cases it sometimes works and somet…
I would like to remind everyone of the time where NodeJS was forked into a more bleeding edge version of Node, and eventually down the line, all the changes were pulled into NodeJS and things were consolidated. Edit: It was iojs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8694953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8669557
Or much longer ago, egcs being forked from gcc and later being subsumed back into the original project by the FSF
Re: Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
#487According to github rust has been forked 10,819 times...
Re: Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
#488Haven't ever used Rust and probably won't. Regardless, the melodramatic cliquey "I'm leaving the project" bluster as of late reminds me of my 14 year old self on various vbulletin forums and grants me conviction avoiding adopting this language and its ecosystem. I prefer the tools I use for building businesses to be administered by adults.
>> the melodramatic cliquey "I'm leaving the project" bluster as of late...
That may be good. It a narcissistic trait and they are leaving the project.
Re: Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
Slashdot was sold to another media company which had other priorities. Are you aware of its "redesign" drama strictly followed by that same new leadership? Many users left then and there.
Slashdot is a good example how a vastly unpopular redesign to make the site more "modern" can bring the whole business down. It's not even the bad redesign per se; it's sticking to it, and not reversing on it. A real shame in my opinion as I think that auto-moderation system is the best I've seen.
It was ridiculously easy to game the Slashdot moderation system. You knew what topics would get upvoted -- positive about Linux, negative about something like SCO during the lawsuit period. It was not difficult to accumulate karma.
Re: Rust has been forked to the Crab Language
#490According to github rust has been forked 10,819 times... https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/forks
Not a useful metric as making a Pull Request requires making a private fork.