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Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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Re: Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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Yes - Lyft contributed the overwhelming majority of the new data back into OSM. The only exceptions were layers that didn't meet OSM community standards for various technical reasons. Source - I led this team

your team contributed more OSM changes than .. who? everyone else in the whole world?

some people's reading comprehension...

Re: Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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This is yet another "We found a community project providing us with billions of dollars in free work but don't find it worth the effort to contribute anything back"

"Lyft contributed the overwhelming majority of the new data back into OSM" according to this comment posted after yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36127623

Re: Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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That's a curious use of an already established term, "Digital Twin"[0]. A digital twin is a virtual model designed to accurately reflect a physical object. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_twin

you are a bit late to the party.. this has been in motion for at least three years, see various standards efforts.

Link me? I'm not sure what you're referencing. For what it's worth, the concept and model of the digital twin that I referenced was first publicly introduced in 2002 by Michael Grieves, at a Society of Manufacturing Engineers conference in Troy, Michigan.

Re: Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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I like OpenStreetMaps but any business that uses them in their core app should be prepared for some wild shenanigans:

https://mashable.com/article/mapbox-antisemitic-vandalism-sn...

Facebook uses OpenStreetMaps and I'm pretty sure they had to design their own batch processes to validate that area's of interest weren't renamed racial slurs or for Pokimon creatures.

Re: Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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The tone of this article is troubling. First, the focus is on savings to Lyft, and not how this innovation benefits customers in any way. Second, it is highly antagonistic to Google - who is probably still a partner to Lyft in many other aspects (advertising etc). Taking shots at your partners is generally considered bad for business.

Cost savings was definitely a factor, but this is the key point from the article:

"And yet, until very recently, Lyft had limited control over that navigation experience, which was built using Google Maps. “For our entire existence, we couldn’t fundamentally change that product,” says director of project management Ben Schrom."

I've worked in the mapping space for more than 20 years and I can tell you one of the biggest annoyances with using third party mapping data is that you are beholden to their cadence and tooling for making updates to the map - you have virtually no control over the data. This is a big reason both Google and Apple built their own map.

The benefit of using OSM is that you are provided decent tooling and a relatively streamlined process for making updates. Map data quality is incredibly important, especially for navigation and it's really hard to manage because the map is always changing - it's not a static thing.

Re: Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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Possible that those shitty tips you've been leaving are adding up in other ways? I live in a neighborhood that borders a part of town that is accepted as a "bad" part of town and is often confused as being part of that part of town. I have only ever not had the "finding another driver" twice from my house, and originally assumed it was location location location. I had a guest stay with me last summer, and they never…

It would make perfect sense to have some ML model which predicts which customers will be most profitable, and treat those guys well to improve retention amongst that client set.

(Regarding Uber, not Lyft, but...) It would also make perfect sense to predict which customers are investigators in areas Uber is illegal, and avoid them. Which they did [0]. I would be shocked if they weren't giving more profitable customers higher priority and better treatment.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/03/uber-secr...

Re: Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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Great can someone at Lyft either comment on if they will contribute what they made on top of OSM or if it is even useful to contribute back ? I think the answer is No and this is HN clickbait. I really want to be wrong.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36127623 claims that they did contribute back most of the data they gathered

Re: Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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> By late 2019, Lorimer and Justin Moore, then the head of engineering, were ready to form a team to “do the impossible” — create a home-grown mapping system. THE IMPOSSIBLE: A "home-grown" mapping system built on OpenStreetMaps? Lyft seems to really lack any imagination if _that_ was considered impossible.

> Lyft seems to really lack any imagination if _that_ was considered impossible.

Depends on how you are making the maps. If you're paying someone to trudge around/trace out satellite photos, then yes, its not very imaginative.

If you are using SLAM to generate maps automatically, then thats a different beast entirely. Only a handful of companies were able to do that in 2019, two got bought by meta (who then fucked up the tech, well done zuck) two went bankrupt and one was aquired by lyft.

Re: Lyft’s plan to take control of its maps and its future

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I don't ever see Lyft being a profitable company. I've been betting against their stock since they hit the market, and it just keeps plummeting YoY.

I have been in a company that marginally that was in the same situation as Lyft, financially speaking, and for me sounds brave and bonkers that those folks still have time to blog post in a very stock-nose-diving situation.

Seriously. That's their focus as their value tanks? Maps?
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