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Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Post by DaedPsyker »

yogthos wrote: post #78
DaedPsyker wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they aren't selling at their original price, Russia is now selling to those partners at a reduced price. At the very least it reduces the amount of funds Russia has at its disposal for the war.

The discounts Russia offers to its partners are minimal, and as CNN reports, Russia's revenues are back to pre-war levels. So, not sure what you're going on about there. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/14/energy/russia-oil-exports-iea...

That appears to show that the volume has returned but not its price.

"The revenue is still down 43% from a year ago, the IEA said, as Russia is forced to sell its barrels to a more limited pool of customers who can negotiate greater discounts."

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Post by actionfromafar »

yogthos wrote: post #78
DaedPsyker wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they aren't selling at their original price, Russia is now selling to those partners at a reduced price. At the very least it reduces the amount of funds Russia has at its disposal for the war.

The discounts Russia offers to its partners are minimal, and as CNN reports, Russia's revenues are back to pre-war levels. So, not sure what you're going on about there. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/14/energy/russia-oil-exports-iea...

It doesn’t matter. The margins for the Russians would have been higher without middlemen.

Now they are lower. (Partial) success!

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Post by kieranmaine »

This article is quite confusing with the links in this article pointing to a press release and tweet from March 2022. Also, I can't find the quote from Tim McPhie.

It could be this article is related to this EU publication, but that's just a guess:

REPowerEU – one year on: https://energy.ec.europa.eu/publications/repowereu-one-year_...

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Post by lisasays »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #59
The_Colonel wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could discuss the 2014 events for hours and in any case the shelling has been going from both directions. But there's one clear fact - the war in Donbas was calming down in intensity in the years preceding 2022. In the three years 2019-2021, 78 civilians died in total, mostly from old unexploded mines. There was absolutely no "need" to make it a full scale war and ramp up the number to tens of thousands civilians…

Ukraine was preparing a war to take back donbas, and there was no "calming down". The problem is, that the media changed their stories after the start of war. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/osce-reports-surge-numb... > MOSCOW, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Two regions in eastern Ukraine where government and separatist forces have been fighting since 2014 were hit by more than 1,400 explosions on Friday, monitors for the O…

This was just before russia entered the war.

The war started (and Russia entered it) in 2014, as you are perfectly aware.

On the other hand, eu/nato was training ukranian soldiers since 2015.

As Ukraine had every right to, given the events of 2014.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Post by The_Colonel »

aziaziazi wrote: post #79
The_Colonel wrote: post #69

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> Ukraine was preparing a war to take back donbas It's sad that there's absolutely zero evidence of that except for Kremlin's justification for its own invasion. Isn't this excuse as old as war? "we had to invade, otherwise they would invade us". > This was just before russia entered the war. Well, exactly. Russia was looking for casus beli. There were reports of increased separatist shelling, they likely wanted to p…

> there's absolutely zero evidence of that OP linked a Reuters post citing OSCE numbers. This organisation includes most European countries, US and Russia among others. If we can’t listen to est neither to west, who should we listen ? You, my Colonel ?

Well, have you read the article? It just states that the intensity of shelling intensified, which is not very surprising 5 days before the invasion?

The article did not mention who intensified the shelling in the first place, but states that the only civilian casualty happened on the Kyiv government controlled territory.

Please explain to me, how is this proof that Ukraine wanted to invade.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Post by lostlogin »

aziaziazi wrote: post #66
ilyt wrote: post #5

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Not being dependent from terrorist state for basic necessities like fuel is worth it.

More precisely : terrorist state not on your side . Many countries are considered terrorist states in all sides of the world, including France, UK, Spain, Israel, Saudi Arabia and of course USA. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism

Go easy on France, they’ve only come down here and attacked us in New Zealand that one time.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Post by carlosjobim »

belltaco wrote: post #49
carlosjobim wrote: post #48

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So you're smart enough to understand this, and the European Union is smart enough to understand this - but the Russians are too stupid to understand it? You don't have any duty to defend every action of European politicians. You will certainly never be rewarded for your loyalty to them. The best reward you can hope for is increased taxation of your labour and the worst reward is being drafted into an industrialized w…

> but the Russians are too stupid to understand it Who said they don't understand it? What can they do about it? Nothing.

What can they do about it? Almost anything they want, including halting all sales to Europe.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Post by lostlogin »

atlantic wrote: post #19
xenospn wrote: post #11

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They’re doing this while forcing russia to sell their crude at close to zero profit. I’d say that’s a positive.

Do you have any data on their actual profit margins, or are you speculating?

Elsewhere here this link was given as proof that Russia was back where it started and hadn’t suffered loss of oil revenue.

It shows export volumes pretty steady, but revenue loss of 43%. That would seem likely to have hit profits pretty hard.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/14/energy/russia-oil-exports...

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Post by The_Colonel »

yogthos wrote: post #67
onepointsixC wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but before that gas was funding a self professed foe. It's much better to not fund your enemies.

That logic only works if Europe was the only trading partner available to Russia. What happened in practice is that Russia simply redirected trade to other countries while Europe now pays a huge markup buying from resellers.

There's no other customer for the gas Russia used to sell to Europe. There are no pipelines from western gas fields to the east.
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