It appears blowing up gas pipelines is a valid solution. The US will no doubt use this solution in the future.
EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
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Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you're smart enough to understand this, and the European Union is smart enough to understand this - but the Russians are too stupid to understand it? You don't have any duty to defend every action of European politicians. You will certainly never be rewarded for your loyalty to them. The best reward you can hope for is increased taxation of your labour and the worst reward is being drafted into an industrialized w…
> but the Russians are too stupid to understand it Who said they don't understand it? What can they do about it? Nothing.
What they can and have done about it is to redirect their trade towards non western countries that constitute the majority of the world. Plenty of recent articles clearly show that the sanctions have been an utter failure in practice. The only entity that's being severely hurt here is Europe.
https://archive.is/2023.02.23-211202/https://www.nytimes.com...
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/can-we-please-stop-comp...
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-minis...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/21/the-west-ti...
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#53Honestly, it's not enough. There needs to be a full stop on Russian Gas/Oil imports _now_, no matter the cost. You're literally funding innocent people to be killed.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#54This would be impressive if it were true. Unfortunately, the article contents do not match the headline. The article proceeds by quoting the EU: >Through the Joint European action for more affordable, secure and sustainable energy (REPowerEU), the EU confirmed its objective to reach independence from Russian fossil fuels well before the end of the decade, Confirmed does not mean achieved. The article further links to…
@scythe two thumbs up.
Amazing how blind the majority is even though they have black on white spelled out in front of them.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#55What about the countries buying up Russian gas an reselling it to EU countries? Did they stop that or have those countries just gotten smarter in hiding the origins of the gas?
Not smarter. Not even trying to hide it. And Russia is selling oil at a price they set. It's just the EU that's paying more to pretend they aren't doing business with Russia.
"India’s diesel exports tripled to ~1,600,000 barrels per day in March 2023, compared to a year ago, making diesel one of the largest components of India-EU trade."
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/India-Leads-In-Russian...
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you're smart enough to understand this, and the European Union is smart enough to understand this - but the Russians are too stupid to understand it? You don't have any duty to defend every action of European politicians. You will certainly never be rewarded for your loyalty to them. The best reward you can hope for is increased taxation of your labour and the worst reward is being drafted into an industrialized w…
> but the Russians are too stupid to understand it Who said they don't understand it? What can they do about it? Nothing.
They can impose their own sanctions preventing the fuel from being resold, or even better, cut a deal that by reselling the fuel the revenue still goes to Russia.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#57EU continues to important Russian oil, it has just been refined and rebadged by India, Saudi Arabia, China and others, so that a statement like this could be made. EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold
> EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold Not really, EU is paying a market rate just like the rest of the world. It's just that a big part of the profit which would normally go to Russia now goes to middlemen. The price cap was designed to reduce Russian profits without reducing Russian oil exports..
Europe used to get pipeline gas at a fixed price, and now it's getting LNG at a much higher rate that fluctuates with the market.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#58EU traded off massive inflation for independence from Russian fossil fuels. A victory for politicians, not so much for the Otto Normalverbraucher.
Massive inflation happened because of many reasons, but it has affected even countries outside the EU, and it's affecting especially european countries that never stopped buying Russian fossil fuels (Turkey, Hungary, Serbia) more than the EU average.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, because they shelled the minority who wanted independence since 2014. Nato bombed yugoslavia for months for the same thing, and they still act as a defensive organization.
We could discuss the 2014 events for hours and in any case the shelling has been going from both directions. But there's one clear fact - the war in Donbas was calming down in intensity in the years preceding 2022. In the three years 2019-2021, 78 civilians died in total, mostly from old unexploded mines. There was absolutely no "need" to make it a full scale war and ramp up the number to tens of thousands civilians…
Ukraine was preparing a war to take back donbas, and there was no "calming down". The problem is, that the media changed their stories after the start of war.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/osce-reports-surge-numb...
> MOSCOW, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Two regions in eastern Ukraine where government and separatist forces have been fighting since 2014 were hit by more than 1,400 explosions on Friday, monitors for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) said, pointing to a surge in shelling.
1400 "explosions" in one day are far away from "calm" to me. This was just before russia entered the war.
On the other hand, eu/nato was training ukranian soldiers since 2015.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#60EU traded off massive inflation for independence from Russian fossil fuels. A victory for politicians, not so much for the Otto Normalverbraucher.
Of course it’s independence from Russian fossil fuels that caused inflation, and not a year lockdown because of global pandemic.