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Nvidia is now a $1T company

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Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#81
I did a rough calculation and came up with a current value of $80bn for Nvidia's offer for Arm based on the current Nvidia share price. An expensive regulatory loss for Masa given Arm will probably float for a lot less.

Of course had the takeover gone ahead then its likely that Nvidia would be even more valuable - unless you take the view that Arm would have been a distraction for Nvidia.

Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#82

Speaking of trillion dollar companies, how is Apple the most valuable one? Their devices are dumb as bricks. Apple is do bad at AI that they can't even get autocorrect right on the iPhone. They are completely out of their element in the age of LLM's. Microsoft's business was bulletproof before investing in OpenAI but now it should be more valuable than Apple.

Pretty straightforward. The current value of the company is the Net Present Value of all the future expected cash flows. Basically you can take the money Apple will make in 2024, 2025, 2026 ... and reduce them to today's values by discounting with the interest rates: pretty much divide by (1+r)^n. Since Apple already makes a ton of money each year it is valued pretty high. Nvidia on the other hand has to GROW its earnings a LOT to justify its valuations.

Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there betting odds anywhere for regime change/invasion of Taiwan? I would put it as ~1% per year right now, but perhaps other investors see it differently.

If you believe that Taiwan has a 1% chance of being invaded per year and that this event would remove your ownership then the long term value of purchasing this stock is negative

Maybe further question is, would invasion of Taiwan change the ownership structure in total sense. Or just for example 51% moving to Chinese hands.

Production capacity losses might be realistic scenario and sales to west going down.

Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#84

the fact that NVDA has a larger market cap than basically all other chip manufacturers combined is hilarious. big TSLA energy here

IMO, NVDA is in a similar position to VMware among practitioners--folks hate their pricing and will gladly jump ship to whatever is cheaper with feature parity. They've burned their brand by charging so much and doing licensing fuckery to squeeze as much as possible. Folks are only staying because CUDA has no equivalent (for now).

> folks hate their pricing and will gladly jump ship to whatever is cheaper with feature parity. ... Folks are only staying because CUDA has no equivalent (for now).

ah yes, consistent long-term delivery of realized customer value, the shakiest of moats

Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#85
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Wow, 213x P/E ratio. To put this into context with other large tech companies: P/E MARKET CAP Salesforce 1,036x $0.2T AMD 519x $0.2T NVIDIA 213x $1.0T Amazon 293x $1.25T Microsoft 35x $2.4T Meta/FB 33x $0.7T Apple 30x $2.7T Google 27x $1.5T TSMC 16x $0.4T Samsung 10x $0.3T EDIT: "P/E" ratio is the Market Cap "Price" / Earnings the company generates. E.g. Samsung is generating $30B in earnings (not revenue, earnings),…

Price to sales is a more telling comparison here. P/E can appear arbitrarily high/low depending on what the company is optimizing for. A realistic "terminal margin" is pretty similar between like-kind businesses, so you can somewhat assume what it will be in the long run and apply that to projected revenues. Price to Sales: (TTM revenues) NVDA: 37x AMD: 8x TSLA: 8x TSM: 7x AAPL: 7x GOOG: 6x QCOM: 3x

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Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#86

Speaking of trillion dollar companies, how is Apple the most valuable one? Their devices are dumb as bricks. Apple is do bad at AI that they can't even get autocorrect right on the iPhone. They are completely out of their element in the age of LLM's. Microsoft's business was bulletproof before investing in OpenAI but now it should be more valuable than Apple.

Does your apparent Apple hate blind you to how many devices they are selling at higher margins than other similar companies? Not to mention their huge expansion into services.

Why does Apple have to be good at AI? Why do all of these big tech companies have to have a play for everything?

Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Price to sales is a more telling comparison here. P/E can appear arbitrarily high/low depending on what the company is optimizing for. A realistic "terminal margin" is pretty similar between like-kind businesses, so you can somewhat assume what it will be in the long run and apply that to projected revenues. Price to Sales: (TTM revenues) NVDA: 37x AMD: 8x TSLA: 8x TSM: 7x AAPL: 7x GOOG: 6x QCOM: 3x

Price to FCF (Free cash flow) is even better.

FCF is not great for tech companies because SBC (stock based compensation), of which these companies do a huge amount of, tends to be backed out.

When a tech employee receives shares, it dilutes other shareholders. This is not "free" money to be ignored just because it doesn't take cash to pay it

Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#88
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See one other small cap company benefiting out of this nvda upside because of AI and GPUs sale. SuperMicro(SMCI) is up 10x is last 2 years with most growth recently.

Why? Do they manufacture their GPUs?

No, they sell all the components and assembly around the gpu to turn it into a high performance server

Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#89
Total Real Returns Chart for NVDA: https://totalrealreturns.com/s/NVDA (with dividends reinvested and inflation adjusted). It's been a bumpy ride since 1999! Trendline is quite positive but you'd have to have some real conviction to hang on with that volatility.

Comparison chart with NVDA in red, TSMC in blue, diversified semiconductor industry ETF in green, AMD in orange: https://totalrealreturns.com/s/NVDA,TSM,SMH,AMD

Re: Nvidia is now a $1T company

#90
Isn't avoiding losing any money the best case scenario for people who buy now?

Even for people within the company, the pie is not getting any bigger so the only game in town is to become the best skilled politician to try and increase one's own slice.

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