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Rheinmetall pilot project for curb stone chargers for EVs

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Re: Rheinmetall pilot project for curb stone chargers for EVs

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Post by newaccount74 »

robomartin wrote: post #113
newaccount74 wrote: post #55

On the one hand, I think that ICE cars should be banned from cities, the air would be much better, and these curbside chargers look like it could help with that. On the other hand, a city filled with parked EV cars is not very different from a city filled with ICE cars. Curbside parking should be abolished or at least significantly reduced. People should just park in underground garages and walk the remaining 200m, t…

> ICE cars should be banned from cities > a city filled with parked EV cars is not very different > Curbside parking should be abolished > just park in underground garages > walk the remaining 200m I appreciate the humor. I certainly hope that's how it was intended. The last part was particularly funny. I get it. Let's dig-up every city and build huge underground car garages --which require massive amounts of concret…

Every new development in my city already includes underground parking. The cost of land in the city is way too high to waste it on parking lots.

They are also building lots of underground garages everywhere. I don't know what they do about power lines and sewer lines, but they seem to have figured out a way to do it, considering how many garages are being constructed.

Removing curbside parking would provide some additional economic incentive to build more garages. It's absolutely doable, a single garage can provide a lot more parking lots than the curbs in a 200m radius.

Re: Rheinmetall pilot project for curb stone chargers for EVs

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Post by esel2k »

robomartin wrote: post #113
newaccount74 wrote: post #55

On the one hand, I think that ICE cars should be banned from cities, the air would be much better, and these curbside chargers look like it could help with that. On the other hand, a city filled with parked EV cars is not very different from a city filled with ICE cars. Curbside parking should be abolished or at least significantly reduced. People should just park in underground garages and walk the remaining 200m, t…

> ICE cars should be banned from cities > a city filled with parked EV cars is not very different > Curbside parking should be abolished > just park in underground garages > walk the remaining 200m I appreciate the humor. I certainly hope that's how it was intended. The last part was particularly funny. I get it. Let's dig-up every city and build huge underground car garages --which require massive amounts of concret…

If thats the problem to solve: - remove cars from the sidewalks/streets - get to a store not more than 200m of walking

If think the concept of public transport within cities does not work so bad: metro/tram etc. at least here in Europe.

The problem is the integration of them. I lives in Belgium for a while and was happy to use park&ride parking and hope on a tram with the same ticket.

If we want to do this, lets create parkings in and outside the city with a seemless transit - direct exit of the parking to the right perron/app parking with included fare for the public transport. I am up for this (even with a stroller).

Re: Rheinmetall pilot project for curb stone chargers for EVs

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Post by jcarrano »

Impractical on so many levels:

- You have to bend down to use it- not good for grandpas or other people with accessibility problems.

- Water and grit ingress will be a problem.

- In Winter it will be covered in snow

- The gravel they spread on the sidewalk will scratch the glass in no time.

- When it is wet it will be all dirty and nasty.

- Will have to withstand cars stepping on it and wheels rubbing against.

Re: Rheinmetall pilot project for curb stone chargers for EVs

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Post by herr_antwort »

jcarrano wrote: post #153

Impractical on so many levels: - You have to bend down to use it- not good for grandpas or other people with accessibility problems. - Water and grit ingress will be a problem. - In Winter it will be covered in snow - The gravel they spread on the sidewalk will scratch the glass in no time. - When it is wet it will be all dirty and nasty. - Will have to withstand cars stepping on it and wheels rubbing against.

Yes lets second guess German engineering.

Re: Rheinmetall pilot project for curb stone chargers for EVs

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Post by ycombinete »

prennert wrote: post #144
ycombinete wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edinburgh literally has underground cycle lanes [0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2011/jun/1...

Just for those who also thought all lines on this map are underground: most of them are not. It's just pathways with segregated traffic. I could not find out how many underground sections there are, but I assume it's just the linking sections (white with black outline)

Yes, you are right I think. I must have misinterpreted something that a friend who lives there said to me. Thanks for the correction.

Re: Rheinmetall pilot project for curb stone chargers for EVs

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Post by jupp0r »

ehnto wrote: post #117
jupp0r wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good luck hauling 100lbs of groceries through the subway.

100 pounds! We'll need at least 2400 pounds of automobile to handle such an unweildy load. I jest but people handle shopping in a myriad of ways, if you live somewhere with good transit it's really not an issue. The Big Shop is a bit of a symptom of suburbia's unavailability problem anyway, since it's such a pain in the butt to get groceries I would optimize it all into one big shop with the car. It's really similar…

It's super easy to get groceries where I live but I still wouldn't want to go shopping multiple times per week. I'd rather spend time on other things.

Re: Rheinmetall pilot project for curb stone chargers for EVs

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Post by robomartin »

newaccount74 wrote: post #151
robomartin wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ICE cars should be banned from cities > a city filled with parked EV cars is not very different > Curbside parking should be abolished > just park in underground garages > walk the remaining 200m I appreciate the humor. I certainly hope that's how it was intended. The last part was particularly funny. I get it. Let's dig-up every city and build huge underground car garages --which require massive amounts of concret…

Every new development in my city already includes underground parking. The cost of land in the city is way too high to waste it on parking lots. They are also building lots of underground garages everywhere. I don't know what they do about power lines and sewer lines, but they seem to have figured out a way to do it, considering how many garages are being constructed. Removing curbside parking would provide some addi…

Think about the environmental impact of digging-up and constructing massive underground parking caverns. I haven't done the math, yet, I have done a lot of construction projects of various types. I can assure you that building underground parking structures is probably one of the worst kinds of projects in terms of environmental effects. Not just CO2 generation. Absolutely everything conspires against you for such a project.

I would almost be willing to bet that just one of those underground garage projects generates more CO2 and other negative environmental impacts than all the electric cars you could park in there for their useful lifetimes. Remember that EV's are not environmentally neutral at all.

Start from this basis: Environmentally speaking, the least impactful place to park vehicles of any kind is where you do not have to move one gram of dirt and add one gram of concrete. The simple answer to that is: Existing infrastructure. Which, yes, means, existing streets. Do that and your baseline is mostly reduced to just the environmental impact of the EV's and not much else at the infrastructure level. Anything else --anything-- surely means increased environmental impact.

Second to that might be to go vertical. In other words, above-ground parking structures with the building on top or coexisting on every level. I was recently in Singapore and saw a building fitting this description. Imagine offices around the periphery of every floor and parking for those offices on every floor at the "core" of the building. I can't say I know with certainty how the two approaches compare. I think I can say that not having to dig-up massive amounts of dirt to build a cavern that can support an entire building is likely far worse from an environmental impact perspective.

Don't forget that the minute you place anything underground you are going to have the need for such things as 24/7 ventilation and air management, which means a constant energy load, well, forever. Not so for street parking or above ground parking.

I think this idea of hating on street parking is largely misplaced. As the world evolves towards self-driving vehicles some of the density problems will sort themselves out. You can have your vehicle drop you off at work and then go park somewhere. We can use existing infrastructure more effectively and manage density without incurring massive environmental costs for the life of a city.

Re: Rheinmetall pilot project for curb stone chargers for EVs

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Post by Symbiote »

wilg wrote: post #124
_hypx wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might as well ban cars entirely at that point. The biggest criticism of EVs is that they are still cars. They are still the most resource and footprint intensive form of transportation out there.

Not accurate, short-haul flights are. Means of Transport CO2 equivalent emissions per passenger km Short Flight 255g Medium Car (Gasoline) 192g Medium Car (Diesel) 171g Medium Flight 156g Long Flight 150g Bus 105g Medium Motorcycle 103g Gasoline Car (Two Passenger) 96g Medium Electric Vehicle 53g National Rail 41g Ferry 19g Eurostar (International Rail) 6g https://www.visualcapitalist.com/comparing-the-carbon-footpr.…

Your figures don't add up. Divide the electric car by 4 or 5 and it's still more than the electric Eurostar train, and that's a high speed train too.
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