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Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by x-complexity »

sph wrote: post #44
ethanbond wrote: post #2

This is going to be one of the best parts of the new AI-ridden world: humans gradually getting locked out of and giving up on online services because the bots are more patient and more skilled at proving their humanness than humans are. Twitter’s new captchas are also pretty insane, though not quite this bad last I ran into them.

Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based? We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human. Who's actually working on this and has released papers I can study? Because all this AI nonsense will only accelerate us towards this total control…

> Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based?

> We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human.'

I'm extremely hesitant to give any State the ability to track an individual user's online activity that intensely. It's been extensively documented that any State will fully utilize its size to violate an individual's personal privacy, with this often being done on a grand scale.

> Who's actually working on this and has released papers I can study? Because all this AI nonsense will only accelerate us towards this total control of the Internet because the spam and AI bots have made it worse for everyone.

The alternative is relatively straightforward: Utilize compute-intensive & memory-intensive tasks in CAPTCHAs.

https://github.com/mCaptcha/mCaptcha

What would only take a few seconds for a single user would take hours for anyone seeking to establish a bot network spanning thousands of pseudo-users. With such tasks, it adds additional friction to the bots at minimal frustration to the user. these can be placed as periodic silent challenges when trying to watch an episode, taking up only a few seconds at the user's end where they wouldn't notice.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32339902

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by Prickle »

rickstanley wrote: post #26
smallerfish wrote: post #5

Microsoft's captchas are pretty horrendous too. I gave up on them and did the audio captchas also, just like in the video.

Not to mention the dire login redirection from Microsoft services that messes up your browser's back button... ugh .

Why do they do that? It is legitimately awful and makes me hate ever having to access Microsoft resources.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by harrisi »

nebula8804 wrote: post #71
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice rephrasing of Conway’s law :)

Its from memory of some old interview. Think he was talking about some aspect of a design flaw in his cars.

I think the point loloquwowndueo was making is that Elon Musk didn't come up with that idea, Melvin Conway did.

It's also an idea older than Conway, presumably, although I don't know for sure.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by bakugo »

sph wrote: post #44
ethanbond wrote: post #2

This is going to be one of the best parts of the new AI-ridden world: humans gradually getting locked out of and giving up on online services because the bots are more patient and more skilled at proving their humanness than humans are. Twitter’s new captchas are also pretty insane, though not quite this bad last I ran into them.

Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based? We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human. Who's actually working on this and has released papers I can study? Because all this AI nonsense will only accelerate us towards this total control…

> We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human.

Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gGLvg0n-uY

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by nebula8804 »

harrisi wrote: post #83
nebula8804 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its from memory of some old interview. Think he was talking about some aspect of a design flaw in his cars.

I think the point loloquwowndueo was making is that Elon Musk didn't come up with that idea, Melvin Conway did. It's also an idea older than Conway, presumably, although I don't know for sure.

I guess my wording was poor. I didn't really intend to say that Elon Musk came up with it only that I personally first heard of this concept from him saying it.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by prepend »

olyjohn wrote: post #38
prepend wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t want aggregator apps to log in without paying. Appletv will show me new shows on multiple platforms all on one screen. HBO doesn’t want people doing this without paying. It’s stupid and anti-user.

An aggregator won't just buy a $12/mo account and use a real login?

The aggregator uses lots of users existing accounts with their real logins. Using appletv again for an example, it wants to check prepend’s specific Hulu, Netflix, hbo, Disney, etc to see new episodes and whatnot related to my specific account.

So it has a real login and, presumably, access to some api from the streamer. But a smaller company that didn’t pay for access could also just login as my accounts and scrape info.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by prepend »

TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #34
prepend wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t want aggregator apps to log in without paying. Appletv will show me new shows on multiple platforms all on one screen. HBO doesn’t want people doing this without paying. It’s stupid and anti-user.

>HBO doesn’t want people doing this without paying. But why (from their perspective)? They don't make their money from metadata, they make it from content. Every piece of real monkey-making content is going to get a torrent regardless of if it's protected behind a captcha.

Because they make more money by charging Apple and others.

Why be reasonable when you can be unreasonable and make more money.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by zulban »

CSMastermind wrote: post #33

Someone had to make this. At some point some software engineer had to sit down, look at it, and say, "looks good to ship to production"

> At some point some software engineer had to sit down, look at it, and say, "looks good to ship to production"

Only true if you replace "software engineer" with "person". Just because someone was paid to build it doesn't mean they thought it was a good idea or ready.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by zinekeller »

sho_hn wrote: post #17
ethanbond wrote: post #2

This is going to be one of the best parts of the new AI-ridden world: humans gradually getting locked out of and giving up on online services because the bots are more patient and more skilled at proving their humanness than humans are. Twitter’s new captchas are also pretty insane, though not quite this bad last I ran into them.

Inverse captcha: Fill out the tax form for the country from the connecting IP. If you can do it, you're an AI.

That solution just shows how bad the US tax system is, and most in Europe won't pass this (because it's already prefilled by their tax agencies or automatically witheld from their salaries).
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