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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by rajeshp1986 »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #140

I would also like to share examples on how Modi Government Jails every honest opposition leader who does development work for general public and gets popular. 2 leaders of Aam Aadmi Party (a primary opponent to PM Modi) are lodged in Jail for months without trial. Same judge appointment by Modi government somehow gets all the cases related to Aam Aadmi Party and orders to extend the judicial custody month after month…

All the leaders you mentioned have accumulated and hoarded cash which was disclosed in IT raids. There is an ongoing investigation on how they sold liquor licenses for cash. They are jailed as per court orders after investigation.

[1] - https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/policy/story/liquor-scam...

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by primitivesuave »

dagmx wrote: post #22

As an NRI, I continue to be disappointed by the country I called home for most of my life. Between the politics and the pollution in Delhi, I fear I can never really return home. The last time I was home, I was struggling every day to breathe because Delhi has crazy air in the winter. While high school friends were telling me about how they don’t believe in equal rights, justifying any means to achieving a Hindu coun…

I'm an NRI/US citizen, have worked/traveled in the country extensively, and have shared my thoughts on HN many times regarding my country of origin. There is a prevalent "Indian apologist" mentality both inside and outside the country, which applauds anyone spinning the "happy people living with less" or "beautiful ancient culture" montage and shouting down anyone trying to put the preponderance of societal problems into perspective.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by FabHK »

13of40 wrote: post #319
quesera wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect your comment is downvoted because it's ominous and substance-free. Reasonably so, I think. Your comment is in fact a negative drag on the quality of conversation here. Live a little. Go ahead and share your perspectives. The maximum downvote damage is -5 points. You'll survive. I'll upvote you even if I disagree. Unless they're just the standard talking points from one side or another on some contentious to…

OK, here's an example: A couple of months ago they were tossing around the idea of "retaking Crimea". I believe that any effort to do that should be based on a best effort assessment of the will of the people living there, because those are the people who will be getting artillery shells in their livingroom in exchange for it. Based on my own experience with expats from there and Donbas, who still have family in the…

> those people are happy being Russian again. Show me on CNN or NPR where their voices and perspectives are being shared.

Here we go, as requested:

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/16/world/europe/ukraine-cris...

> One voter, Grigory Illarionovich, told CNN, “I’m for restoring Crimea to Russia. Returning what Khrushchev took away.”

> Another voter in Perevalnoye, Viktor Savchenko, said he would never vote for the government in Kiev. “I want us to join Russia, and live like Russians, with all their rights,” he said.

> Victoria Khudyakova said she also had voted to join Russia, which she sees as being “spiritually close” to Crimea. “For me, Russia is an opportunity for our Crimea to develop, to bloom. And I believe that it will be so,” she said.

[...]

> CNN analyst and Russian journalist Vladimir Pozner similarly stressed that Sunday’s vote was in no way staged. “When you look at the celebrations, you can’t doubt that these people really are very happy,” he said.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/06/591266939/how-people-in-crime...

> DEMID KUPAYEV: (Through interpreter) I witnessed how babushkas came up and said, thank God the time has come for Crimea to return to its historic homeland.

> KIM: Kupayev says international sanctions have made finding work in commercial shipping harder. But like many Crimeans, he calls economic hardship the acceptable price of joining Russia.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by Freedom2 »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #192
d3vmax wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen so many pro-Russian bot accounts with blue verified symbol. These accounts also get priority on their replies, which are positioned at the start of the tweet conversation compared to non-blue / non paying twitter handles, giving them a bigger amplification. Whenever I see blue tick accounts now, I notice most of them have Elon has broken the verified system on purpose to fit his new anti-government / anti…

This is wrong on most every level

Agreed. There's a lot of claims that are unsubstantiated as well as full of anecodes. It's hard to discern how this can lead to 'curious' discussion.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by ta_vf7xjd34cc »

ephemeralkey wrote: post #325
ta_vf7xjd34cc wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Secularism is a constitutional principle The constitution can say whatever it wants. The only thing that matters is what actually happens on the ground. Successive governments have adopted Hinduphobic positions and laws while claiming to be secular. Why are only Hindu temples under the control of various state governments? Why don't governments take similar control of cathedrals, churches and mosques? There is exam…

> Why are only Hindu temples under the control of various state governments? That is because historically, a lot of the land (farm and non-farm) came under the Hindu temples when the temples were under the administration of kings. The British East India Company took over the administration which then transferred to the provinces (prior to independence) and then the states post-independence. Different states then pass…

> Different states then passed laws.

A "secular" state will treat all places of prayer and worship the same. If it controls only Hindu temples but not churches and mosques, it is not "secular."

> Ofcourse they do.

The constitution and the RTE act treat minority and non-minority institutions differently. Everything from the funding structure, to what can be taught, to how the teachers are appointed, to whether religious education can be imparted differs. Hindu institutions can do certain things but under restrictions that are not applicable to minorities. Again, this second-class treatment is considered to be "secular."

> Stop spreading this hate about us vs them.

I am not the Onlygodist here. It is Onlygodism that creates us vs them.

> national security bogeyman

So the insurgency in Kashmir and Nagaland does not have religious characteristics and is purely secular in nature? The partition of India was done on a purely secular basis?

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by quesera »

13of40 wrote: post #319
quesera wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect your comment is downvoted because it's ominous and substance-free. Reasonably so, I think. Your comment is in fact a negative drag on the quality of conversation here. Live a little. Go ahead and share your perspectives. The maximum downvote damage is -5 points. You'll survive. I'll upvote you even if I disagree. Unless they're just the standard talking points from one side or another on some contentious to…

OK, here's an example: A couple of months ago they were tossing around the idea of "retaking Crimea". I believe that any effort to do that should be based on a best effort assessment of the will of the people living there, because those are the people who will be getting artillery shells in their livingroom in exchange for it. Based on my own experience with expats from there and Donbas, who still have family in the…

OK, I think that's a valid consideration. I don't think you'll get much pushback for prioritizing the will of the people, and their disinterest in living in a war zone. I have not read anything on NPR or CNN calling for the expansion of war in the Baltics. But they run opinion pieces too, just like most other media outlets.

I was expecting something controversial. :)

The counterargument of course is that the region was annexed by aggression, which is dangerous to legitimize. Letting the bullies win is a recipe for creating more and bigger bullies.

But sometimes there are no good answers. I don't know any trustworthy sources of information from that area (only expats and news reporting which are all various degrees of clueless and biased).

Avoiding inflicting war on a reluctant people sounds humane. Restoring national sovereignty to a conquered people sounds noble. Impeding the spread of territorial aggression and natural resource theft sounds righteous.

Personal opinion, pragmatic I think: You can't retake Crimea without obliterating Russia. You can't obliterate Russia without horrifying consequences. Don't retake Crimea, but draw a very clear and public line, and allow no concessions regarding the next Crimea (Ukraine). This turns out to be very close to the foreign policy of most of the world.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by [deleted] »

13of40 wrote: post #319
quesera wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect your comment is downvoted because it's ominous and substance-free. Reasonably so, I think. Your comment is in fact a negative drag on the quality of conversation here. Live a little. Go ahead and share your perspectives. The maximum downvote damage is -5 points. You'll survive. I'll upvote you even if I disagree. Unless they're just the standard talking points from one side or another on some contentious to…

OK, here's an example: A couple of months ago they were tossing around the idea of "retaking Crimea". I believe that any effort to do that should be based on a best effort assessment of the will of the people living there, because those are the people who will be getting artillery shells in their livingroom in exchange for it. Based on my own experience with expats from there and Donbas, who still have family in the…

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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by shri_krishna »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #293
shri_krishna wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> rabid amount of hate will get you nowhere in life and will always keep you in a negative mood and disappointed Wat. Honestly, this attitude—equating moderate criticism with “rabid hate”— causes me to pause every time I get excited about India. There are democratic trade-offs in development. India has made them decently historically, and well recently. But the way you tank that balance is with blind jingoism.

> Honestly, this attitude—equating moderate criticism with “rabid hate”

I was responding to this comment: "I absolutely hate the way fellow Indians will just try and deflect negative stories about India as western propaganda."

Nice try trying to change the tone of his sentence (which was "I absolutely hate") to "moderate criticism". There is nothing "moderate" about "absolutely hating" something/someone. I was just responding to that "extreme" emotion he was projecting. Such extreme emotions might win you the mob but it won't change facts.

> causes me to pause every time I get excited about India

Okay. And? What difference would it make to India's growth trajectory if you lose your excitement? Is it going to make any dent?

> But the way you tank that balance is with blind jingoism.

Lol. As an Indian the only content I get to consume majority of the times, from Western media/press, is how shitty India is. And this has nothing to do with BJP/Modi but has to do with how India has always been projected in the Western media. Take literally any media clip of India showcased on Western news channels and you will have at least 1 clip of Mumbai slum (which is the smallest portion of Mumbai, a part of Maharashtra state in India) projected as India itself. It is like Indian channels showing Skid Row as USA. So if you feel some sort of "jingoism" coming from me it is purely a response to the nonsense I always see on Western media whenever India is talked about. As it almost always projects and enhances stereotypes already existing about India and Indians. And lets not forget the most common tropes: poverty, illiteracy, drinking water, sanitation, slums, education, electricity etc. No matter how much India improves and solves these issues (many of which are close to 100%) it still wouldn't satisfy West's craving for denigrating India just for kicks.

So if I feel defensive about it, don't construe it as jingoism for the sake of it. I actually feel the difference in standard of living after being born here and lived for 34 years. I presume I have more experience about how much India has changed compared to Westerners or even NRIs who abandoned India for greener pastures and sit in the West and pontificate. Sorry if I sound jingoistic but I don't really care. Especially when the West doesn't really care about how India is denigrated repeatedly in their Media.

And if anyone has even a mild amount of criticism of the West, they get banned/cancelled in the West or worse bombed out of existence (Iraq/Syria/Libya). So much for tolerance to free speech and human rights.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by fweimer »

13of40 wrote: post #319
quesera wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect your comment is downvoted because it's ominous and substance-free. Reasonably so, I think. Your comment is in fact a negative drag on the quality of conversation here. Live a little. Go ahead and share your perspectives. The maximum downvote damage is -5 points. You'll survive. I'll upvote you even if I disagree. Unless they're just the standard talking points from one side or another on some contentious to…

OK, here's an example: A couple of months ago they were tossing around the idea of "retaking Crimea". I believe that any effort to do that should be based on a best effort assessment of the will of the people living there, because those are the people who will be getting artillery shells in their livingroom in exchange for it. Based on my own experience with expats from there and Donbas, who still have family in the…

This is a more recent article that offers a more nuanced perspective, even down to the title:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/15/why-crimea-is-...

(The Guardian is pretty much pro-Ukraine, pro-war in general.)

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by viewtransform »

jeswin wrote: post #183

This has devolved into a political discussion unfit for HN. The OP's submission history[1] is almost entirely political, and promoting a specific viewpoint. While I believe it's ok to discuss politics on HN, my view is that accounts that exist solely for political propaganda should be discouraged. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=throwaway384629

I think this is relevant to HN because this is technology that many of us are working on and having an real life example of misuse should make us pause and think how to address the issue.
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