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Post by throwaway384629 »

dartharva wrote: post #141
throwaway384629 wrote: post #70

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BJP in India does not fight elections based on any development agendas like education/healthcare or social security. They pretends to the majority Hindu public that "Hindus are in danger from Muslims" and only BJP can protect them. They also project themselves as true nationalists and anyone having anti-government views is declared a "Pakistani" or anti-national. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/7/spike-in-anti-…

Which political party in India primarily fights elections "based on any development agendas like education/healthcare or social security"? If there was one, how much "development" has that party achieved when in power?

Aam Aadmi Party is one such party. Here is their 70 points action plan that they promised in 2015:

https://aamaadmiparty.org/delhi-government-2/aap-manifesto-2...

And here is the public status check of each promise:

https://www.indiatoday.in/diu/story/aap-s-5-year-report-card...

Despite giving free electricity up to 200 Units/month, free water up to 20KL/month, free bus travel for women, the state budget is still surplus.

The 2 leaders who made it possible are currently put in Jail by Modi Government. [1]

[1] https://www.outlookindia.com/national/sisodia-jain-arrested-...

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Post by denton-scratch »

ceejayoz wrote: post #91
shaan7 wrote: post #64

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I am hoping that AI tooling like this becomes even more widespread (Google Photos is doing that) that more people will finally understand that they cannot trust everything they see online. I hope.

But the conclusion becomes “you can’t trust anything ”. I worry about a civilization that can’t agree on even the most basic of facts.

It's not “you can’t trust anything”. It's "you can’t trust anything you're told”.

And that's nothing new. We have been lying since we figured out how to talk.

The sky is not falling.

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Post by quesera »

13of40 wrote: post #217
jonhohle wrote: post #166

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I think you capture it, but to make it clear, post-modernism existed before the Internet. I’ve never considered the post-truth perspective as having anything to do with intentional misrepresentation, but rather relativism (which is dangerous in other ways, imho). Outright lying has been used by authoritarians, but it really seems like we need a term to describe societies controlled by blatant, obvious lies (which is…

I wrote up a much longer reply to this, but I can't get myself to submit it. tl;dr is there are some basic things you cannot say in public today without getting cancelled. And I'm not talking about kiddy porn or extreme Trumpisms. Edit: Literally took 5 minutes for the first downvote, despite not mentioning a single "issue". What's that old phrase? QED?

I suspect your comment is downvoted because it's ominous and substance-free. Reasonably so, I think. Your comment is in fact a negative drag on the quality of conversation here.

Live a little. Go ahead and share your perspectives. The maximum downvote damage is -5 points. You'll survive. I'll upvote you even if I disagree. Unless they're just the standard talking points from one side or another on some contentious topic, which is too boring to upvote.

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Post by CountHackulus »

deno wrote: post #142
pmontra wrote: post #126

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I take an authentic image with a camera, crop out the part of it that it's not aligned with my goals, put a reference to the authentic image. How do you get the authentic image to compare it with my edit? And how do you solve the problem of a powerful entity telling you that the cropped image is authentic, or there will be consequences? People know what's going on, they bend for fear of breaking. No technology is cha…

You have to provide authentic image with your image for it to validate, just as you have to supply any intermediate certificates in TLS. If you want to crop to hide information you have to do this while taking the photo in the camera app. Powerful entity can tell you to install their root certificate just like it happens in China. This is a different problem.

What if I just reframe my picture instead of cropping? Every photo is a choice. A choice of what to show and what not to show.

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Post by Utkarsh_Mood »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #297
Utkarsh_Mood wrote: post #243

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Here's the definition of Hindutva according to the Supreme Court, if anyone's curious “Hindutva is understood as a way of life of state of mind and is not to be equated with or understood as religious Hindu fundamentalism…it is a fallacy and error of law to proceed on the assumption…that the use of words Hindutva or Hinduism per se depicts an attitude hostile to all persons practicing any religion other than the Hind…

> the definition of Hindutva according to the Supreme Court Legal definitions aren’t relevant to Twitter accounts. What matters is what’s animating the author.

All the same, imo it's imperative people know what the actual definition is rather than misconstruing it for something else

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Post by quesera »

Roark66 wrote: post #256
remote_phone wrote: post #231

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The Dallas shopping center shooting was the first time in my life I couldn’t tell the difference between online truth and lies. I’m very good as finding out the truth vs lies but this time I couldn’t. Usually disinformation is easy to spot but this time it came out so fast that I had no idea what was real vs fake. It’s a scary time to be living in when you have no idea what is real anymore.

Personally after I was involved with some "news" that was then reported completely wrong (not by malice, but pure incompetence) I've stopped believing anything I read or hear in the media. This was 25 years ago and the trend has only increased. Yes, there is quite a bit of fakery, but 99% of "bad news" is a result of the: 1. No expectation by the public credible sources are quoted when news are reported. 2. Reporters…

> I can't count the number of times my partner tells me when I come home "have you heard, there is this horribly stupid law that is coming into effect next month". Then I check, and it's not a law, but a proposal, it hasn't been even accepted to be discussed yet and the details are completely different too.

It's certainly not the only source of error, but I find that the answer to my first question ("What, where did you read about that?") is almost always "Facebook".

It's become a running joke in my household. It turns out though that some people read news as entertainment, and don't really care if it's particularly true. This is probably fine, but it breaks down when the evoked response is outrage instead of a laugh.

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Post by 13of40 »

quesera wrote: post #313
13of40 wrote: post #217

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I wrote up a much longer reply to this, but I can't get myself to submit it. tl;dr is there are some basic things you cannot say in public today without getting cancelled. And I'm not talking about kiddy porn or extreme Trumpisms. Edit: Literally took 5 minutes for the first downvote, despite not mentioning a single "issue". What's that old phrase? QED?

I suspect your comment is downvoted because it's ominous and substance-free. Reasonably so, I think. Your comment is in fact a negative drag on the quality of conversation here. Live a little. Go ahead and share your perspectives. The maximum downvote damage is -5 points. You'll survive. I'll upvote you even if I disagree. Unless they're just the standard talking points from one side or another on some contentious to…

OK, here's an example: A couple of months ago they were tossing around the idea of "retaking Crimea". I believe that any effort to do that should be based on a best effort assessment of the will of the people living there, because those are the people who will be getting artillery shells in their livingroom in exchange for it. Based on my own experience with expats from there and Donbas, who still have family in the area, those people are happy being Russian again. Show me on CNN or NPR where their voices and perspectives are being shared.

Again, this is just an example, not my personal agenda. What I want to point out is that we've normalized that there are a handful of forbidden topics that you will get punched for if you approach them with anything but a pre-formed opinion that matches the status quo.

Edit: And just as a turn of the screw, I'm going to say that the COVID vaccines are pretty shit compared to ones like smallpox, polio, and rabies vaccines, which actually (and sometimes retroactively) prevent you from getting the disease you were vaccinated against. Oh heck, I'm not allowed to say that thing that we all know. I mean if you take a high level view of it, they take the edge off the problem, but they still kind of suck.

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Post by throwaway384629 »

throwaway2305ax wrote: post #128
throwaway384629 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BJP in India does not fight elections based on any development agendas like education/healthcare or social security. They pretends to the majority Hindu public that "Hindus are in danger from Muslims" and only BJP can protect them. They also project themselves as true nationalists and anyone having anti-government views is declared a "Pakistani" or anti-national. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/7/spike-in-anti-…

Ok, this is not entirely true. - India is the fastest growing large economy in the world - inflation is under control - The infrastructure spend is the largest ever. There's construction everywhere. - life expectancy is significantly up Of course there are issues, but it's a mixed bag. Not all religion.

>> India is the fastest growing large economy in the world

Source please?

>> inflation is under control

Cooking Gas cylinder price: [1] June 2017: 552.50 May 2023: 1103.00

Petrol price (Even when India is importing dirt cheap crude oil from Russia): [2] Dec 2015: 60.00/litre May 2023: 100.00/litre

>> - The infrastructure spend is the largest ever. There's construction everywhere.

If certain companies and politically linked builders are building then that does not mean country is progressing.

[1] https://www.bankbazaar.com/gas-connection/lpg-price-delhi.ht...

[2] https://www.mypetrolprice.com/petrol-price-chart.aspx

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