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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

pjc50 wrote: post #41
capableweb wrote: post #8

> Verified account @wokeflix_ tweeted the same image in a meme > Verified account @randomsena tweeted the same image > Another verified account, @RealAtulsay, tweeted the same image Isn't "Verified" on Twitter just a subscription now, meaning it's just that these people have given Twitter money? Why it matters (in a journalistic sense) who has paid Twitter or not? And why are only some of the verified accounts mentio…

"Verified" is now an anti-signal. It's more likely than not to indicate that the poster is a crank who's paying money to have their opinions disseminated.

It was never a signal for 99% of verified users. It as a game.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by throwaway2305ax »

The news is accurate, but not particularly newsworthy. This was posted by an unofficial, loosely defined group of accounts called the "IT cell" - not very different from MAGA folks or far-left account clusters. The linked news source (alt news) is an opposition news source/blog.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

collsni wrote: post #35
garganzol wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean rsa 2048 can be currently broken in 104 days Only if one has a sufficiently-large fault-tolerant quantum computer with 10,000 qubits and 2.23 trillion quantum gates [0]. Which is currently an unachivium. [0] https://www.itnews.com.au/news/quantum-computers-wont-break-...

With this whole AI push, there have been pretty serious advancements in technology. I wouldn't doubt in 5 to 10 years will have a vastly different threat landscape. Nation states can afford supercomputers, so can some private corporations.

How is AI related to this? Did LLMs figure how crack encryptions?

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by pjc50 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58
pjc50 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is what a lot of us think the real threat of "AI" is: not that it will autonomously produce bad outcomes for humanity, but because it's a tool that's indifferent to truth or falsehood it allows any kind of truth or reality based politics to be totally flooded out of the public sphere. Everyone ends up fighting in the hall of mirrors.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

> That world is increasingly the world we live in

I think the point of the postmodernists was that was always the world we live in, it's just that the Internet has made it much more visible and we can see the fraying and the contradictions. It's just that, for a fairly narrow window of time and societies, there was enough of an honor culture about being caught lying that the discourse-reality matched fairly well the actual reality. But even in the 20th century that required hiding a lot of perspectives, or only slowly and begrudgingly acknowledging them.

There's a distinction of degree but not of kind between "presenting the version of events most favourable to yourself" vs "presenting an entirely fictional version". I don't know how we get that back.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by EGreg »

iinnPP wrote: post #54
EGreg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Im glad you mentioned this because I thought I was going a bit nuts. It's like thinking beyond today is impossible and that using logic to predict behavior is akin to being a conspiracy theorist. Some now popular conclusions around AI were flagged comments ~3 months ago. No wonder software is so terrible today.

It's like that in general, with authority-based and cargo-cult based thinking.

Look at how the "Wuhan lab leak theory" was flagged and buried, how it took Jon Stewart to voice it and take a lot of heat before anyone paid any attention, and now it's mainstream and the Federal government is supposedly officially investigating it. https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/jon-stewart-recalls-outrage-af...

Sometimes governments use it to gaslight everyone: https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/how-jimmy-carter-...

On HN, the orthodoxy was that you shall not talk about everyday causes of depression or ADD. But then in 2022 we had this meta analysis that found no evidence supporting the serotonin theory and SSRIs: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220720080145.h...

Now it's OK to talk about it, whereas before it was not. So now we have a lot of taboos to talk about overdiagnosis of ADHD and gender dysphoria, talking about the DSM V criteria etc: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/feb/04/adhd-diet-fo...

So yes.. right now the thing is to hate on Web3 and to do strawmen like "how will it fix AI". It won't fix AI, it's just that Web3 may be roughly a zero-sum game for society, or at least not nearly as negative-sum as AI.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by yalogin »

juujian wrote: post #6

That is getting real freaking dystopian. Sure, we would have been able to do this before, and the Soviet Union did a ton of photo editing. But doing this particular edit must have been so easy. No cost at all, no mental barrier. You would almost think 'why bother'. And before anyone says 'yeah, but the truth came out'. Well, we saw it, but how many of the particular audience of whatever that outlet was will never see…

The truth comes out but the pro fascist people will have the ammo to keep lying about and repeating the lie. A percentage of the rest will believe it. They keep chipping away like that

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by ta1243 »

capableweb wrote: post #26
dmix wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that an all female police squad?

> Is that an all female police squad? Not to assume anyone's gender here, but does it look like a all female police squad? https://i.imgur.com/OSnyrFH.jpg

Unless some AI has doctored the images

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by tdehnel »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58
pjc50 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is what a lot of us think the real threat of "AI" is: not that it will autonomously produce bad outcomes for humanity, but because it's a tool that's indifferent to truth or falsehood it allows any kind of truth or reality based politics to be totally flooded out of the public sphere. Everyone ends up fighting in the hall of mirrors.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

There is nothing in principle which prevents us from solving this problem. We cannot predict which new knowledge will solve it. But we can say that if we don’t solve it, it will be our fault for not producing the required knowledge fast enough.
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