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India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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That is getting real freaking dystopian. Sure, we would have been able to do this before, and the Soviet Union did a ton of photo editing. But doing this particular edit must have been so easy. No cost at all, no mental barrier. You would almost think 'why bother'. And before anyone says 'yeah, but the truth came out'. Well, we saw it, but how many of the particular audience of whatever that outlet was will never see…

I am hoping that AI tooling like this becomes even more widespread (Google Photos is doing that) that more people will finally understand that they cannot trust everything they see online. I hope.

That is not an improvement, because it turns "online" (which is basically everything everywhere - all news media, TV, newspapers) into a politically useless wasteland.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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That is getting real freaking dystopian. Sure, we would have been able to do this before, and the Soviet Union did a ton of photo editing. But doing this particular edit must have been so easy. No cost at all, no mental barrier. You would almost think 'why bother'. And before anyone says 'yeah, but the truth came out'. Well, we saw it, but how many of the particular audience of whatever that outlet was will never see…

Just wait until POWs start denouncing their former armies, or KIAs magically return home, or Ukrainian children in Russian families start magically saying how much better it is, etc etc. The demoralizing effect of watching a loved one do this would be immense.

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India slowly joining China, Russia and Turkey as a dictatorship...

Italy silently following. Quietly and slowly, so that frogs won't notice the temperature difference.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/23/italy-governme...

The 1st step in turning a seemingly democratic country in a dictatorship is to control the media. Not the 1st time it happens, but this time it is way more serious. Of course the new dictatorship needs to be soft enough to be palatable for other EU members and NATO allies, therefore I don't expect black shirt patrols with batons attacking people unfriendly to the regime down the street or at their home, at least not in a systematic way like a century ago, yet things are going to suck badly over here if nobody stops those bastards in power ASAP.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sadly don’t see any true way to move past the BJP. They’ve really captured the minds of the majority. I don’t think any other party has anywhere near the might to stand up to the sheer might the BJP has created, not without compromising their morals. How do you compete with a government that will distort reality like this, where the majority of people won’t listen to the actual truth?

It's not like other parties have any morals in the first place. Well none of my state parties have morals and sure as hell Congress doesn't have any morals

I think that any "Tom, Dick, and Harry" party is better than the Nazi party.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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> Verified account @wokeflix_ tweeted the same image in a meme > Verified account @randomsena tweeted the same image > Another verified account, @RealAtulsay, tweeted the same image Isn't "Verified" on Twitter just a subscription now, meaning it's just that these people have given Twitter money? Why it matters (in a journalistic sense) who has paid Twitter or not? And why are only some of the verified accounts mentio…

I think that's their point. It's a way of subtly pointing out that verification on Twitter is now useless, and shouldn't be trusted any more than claims from any other user. Even less, I guess, since it's not a equal distribution of people paying for verification, they all skew pretty hard to one side.

That’s probably true for Twitter blue but there appears to be multiple forms of verification, including a government one and an organizations one.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Context: The day this happened was the inauguration of new Parliament building of India.

The inauguration of the new Parliament building where: - None of the major opposition parties attended - The President and other constitutional heads were not invited - The protesting athletes were arrested - One religion was in the spotlight, as opposed to the Indian brand of secularism where ceremonies of all religions should have been conducted - On the day of Savarkar's (Hindu nationalist) birth anniversary - The…

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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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I’m wondering if someone can comment on the cultural aspect here. It seems like adding the smiles was intended to discredit the protesters, by somehow suggesting the protest was insincere. But I feel like you could interpret this the other way too: even in the face of brutal treatment, they maintain a positive and peaceful attitude and don’t let their opponents break their spirits.

“Turn the other cheek” and “love your enemy” are very old philosophies, after all. So is there something different about this situation or about Indian politics in general that makes this a damaging attack?

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That is getting real freaking dystopian. Sure, we would have been able to do this before, and the Soviet Union did a ton of photo editing. But doing this particular edit must have been so easy. No cost at all, no mental barrier. You would almost think 'why bother'. And before anyone says 'yeah, but the truth came out'. Well, we saw it, but how many of the particular audience of whatever that outlet was will never see…

I think the primary issue is that, while internet users usually question the authenticity of photos (as a normal practice), they tend to subconsciously trust what they see in videos. It will require a significant mental shift to now question practically every single piece of audiovisual content.

> internet users usually question the authenticity of photos

Maybe _you_ do that, but I would not generalize, and I would not necessarily think I’m always capable of doing that myself “by default”

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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That is getting real freaking dystopian. Sure, we would have been able to do this before, and the Soviet Union did a ton of photo editing. But doing this particular edit must have been so easy. No cost at all, no mental barrier. You would almost think 'why bother'. And before anyone says 'yeah, but the truth came out'. Well, we saw it, but how many of the particular audience of whatever that outlet was will never see…

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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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As an NRI, I continue to be disappointed by the country I called home for most of my life. Between the politics and the pollution in Delhi, I fear I can never really return home. The last time I was home, I was struggling every day to breathe because Delhi has crazy air in the winter. While high school friends were telling me about how they don’t believe in equal rights, justifying any means to achieving a Hindu coun…

It is a conundrum, because the same NRIs oppose bills that would solve India's problems.

The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. But protesting farmers (widely supported in the west) opposed it, and the bill died despite having democratic approval (both national opinion and sufficient votes)

> dared to vote a great scientist to president

We do not vote for Presidents in India. The president was selected by the ruling party (The same BJP as Modi) to be the ceremonial president. The same one that has now elected a tribal woman to President, to signify secular allegiances.

> believe in equal rights

If we are to use leaders as a yardstick to measure equality opportunities and rights, then the incompetent ~6th generation heir of the Nehru/Gandhi family leading the opposition is hardly a good look.

> disappointed by the country I called home for most of my life

As a fellow NRI, this is counter to what I hear from my fellow Indians. There is a ton of optimism around jobs, infrastructure growth and economic policies that are finally opening up the nation, as India embraces the US after decades spent close to the Russia.

> potentially great, secular country

Even as a big supporter of liberal (as in valuing liberty, low authoritarianism) democracies, the evidence for free-democracies industrializing is exactly zero. Every big nation that has successfully escaped poverty has done so through suffocatingly authoritarian means (SK, Japan, Taiwan, Chile, China, Thailand, Malaysia). Every single one of them only transitioned to a proper liberal democracy (if at all) AFTER industrialization had been achieved.

It is depressing. But, the numbers don't lie.

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