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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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That is what a lot of us think the real threat of "AI" is: not that it will autonomously produce bad outcomes for humanity, but because it's a tool that's indifferent to truth or falsehood it allows any kind of truth or reality based politics to be totally flooded out of the public sphere. Everyone ends up fighting in the hall of mirrors.

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How would the Web3 concept solve this?

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Just the beginning, what happens when it becomes impossible to parse fact and fiction? I mean rsa 2048 can be currently broken in 104 days, and we'll be at quantum levels sooner than we realize. How we validating anything after that? Biometric?

Need a source on RSA 2048 being breakable. QC like that is still quite far off and it can’t be conventionally breakable unless there has been some kind of mathematical breakthrough.

https://www.fujitsu.com/global/about/resources/news/press-re...

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Just the beginning, what happens when it becomes impossible to parse fact and fiction? I mean rsa 2048 can be currently broken in 104 days, and we'll be at quantum levels sooner than we realize. How we validating anything after that? Biometric?

I wonder if we'll see analogue methods as the only reliable ones left.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is what a lot of us think the real threat of "AI" is: not that it will autonomously produce bad outcomes for humanity, but because it's a tool that's indifferent to truth or falsehood it allows any kind of truth or reality based politics to be totally flooded out of the public sphere. Everyone ends up fighting in the hall of mirrors.

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Im glad you mentioned this because I thought I was going a bit nuts.

It's like thinking beyond today is impossible and that using logic to predict behavior is akin to being a conspiracy theorist.

Some now popular conclusions around AI were flagged comments ~3 months ago.

No wonder software is so terrible today.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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I sadly don’t see any true way to move past the BJP. They’ve really captured the minds of the majority. I don’t think any other party has anywhere near the might to stand up to the sheer might the BJP has created, not without compromising their morals. How do you compete with a government that will distort reality like this, where the majority of people won’t listen to the actual truth?

It's not like other parties have any morals in the first place. Well none of my state parties have morals and sure as hell Congress doesn't have any morals

> It's not like other parties have any morals in the first place.

This is the line of thinking that has led to the BJPs success. The fact that people have been convinced that the opposition is not a viable alternative is a shame.

While it's true that the opposition has many faults, no other party has undermined the core founding principles of the republic the way the BJP has, except for perhaps Indira Gandhi.

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BJP is proper Authoritarian. This is coming from a right leaning person.

The sad thing is they will probably win again in 2024. The damage that 15 years of BJP has done to the social fabric of India, and the undermining of the core founding principles of the republic will last for generations. It's hard to imagine it going away :(

Unfortunately BJP has compromised most of the pillars of democracy. Almost all the mainstream "journalist" openly support the BJP Government. You will find them insulting and fighting with opposition leaders in TV debates everyday. They will hold special TV shows to justify all the actions of government. They will show BJP as winning in most of the elections right till the last moment.

The judges of courts are getting post retirement posts from the government. For example, Ranjan Gogoi, served as Chief Justice of India and gave many decisions in favour of ruling party and he got nominated to Rajaya Sabha by president after his retirement. [1] He was also accused of sexual harassment, and the lady was found to be a target of snooping by BJP government through her mobile phone by using pegasus spyware. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranjan_Gogoi

[2] https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/pegasus-proje...

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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What's with India and the shift towards the right? I thought it had too many religions and different cultures to pull this off.

I think it's similar to the US. There's some kind of global push towards a flavor of fascism occurring in most democratic countries.

https://fpif.org/fascisms-global-spread-is-real-as-real-as-t...

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That is getting real freaking dystopian. Sure, we would have been able to do this before, and the Soviet Union did a ton of photo editing. But doing this particular edit must have been so easy. No cost at all, no mental barrier. You would almost think 'why bother'. And before anyone says 'yeah, but the truth came out'. Well, we saw it, but how many of the particular audience of whatever that outlet was will never see…

That is what a lot of us think the real threat of "AI" is: not that it will autonomously produce bad outcomes for humanity, but because it's a tool that's indifferent to truth or falsehood it allows any kind of truth or reality based politics to be totally flooded out of the public sphere. Everyone ends up fighting in the hall of mirrors.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane.

Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true, true in the old sense of corresponding to the reality of what is) in order to function? To function as individuals, and to function as a society? How do we deal with this?

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sadly don’t see any true way to move past the BJP. They’ve really captured the minds of the majority. I don’t think any other party has anywhere near the might to stand up to the sheer might the BJP has created, not without compromising their morals. How do you compete with a government that will distort reality like this, where the majority of people won’t listen to the actual truth?

It's not like other parties have any morals in the first place. Well none of my state parties have morals and sure as hell Congress doesn't have any morals

While Congress and other parties have many faults, they’re still a damn sight better than the party that is trying to degrade human rights for non-Hindus.

Sometimes you just need to hold your nose and vote for the best option, even if they’re flawed. The road to a better tomorrow is paved with compromises that get us there.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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What's with India and the shift towards the right? I thought it had too many religions and different cultures to pull this off.

Ever since Partition (and indeed before) the Hindu vs Muslim conflict has been a powerful driver of both local violence and national politics.
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