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Japan will try to beam solar power from space by 2025

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Re: Japan will try to beam solar power from space by 2025

#21

Aren’t we trying to manage the energy we already get, and maybe even get less energy? Isn’t it that at the current rates with our modified atmosphere we are going to cook ourselves ?

Space based solar is in very low earth orbit. IOW, it shades the Earth, decreasing the amount of energy that reaches Earth.

Does it? Because they are beaming that energy back to earth, just to a very specific place.

Re: Japan will try to beam solar power from space by 2025

#22
post #15

I’m no rocket scientist but surely it’s cheaper to build more panels and batteries on Earth? Launching stuff into orbit is expensive in cash and emissions.

Maybe doing compromise - build space mirror and beam light to earth 24 hours per day, as bonus panels maintenance it on earth and can be easily upgraded.

Something like this was tried by Russia: Znamya ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Znamya_(satellite) )

Re: Japan will try to beam solar power from space by 2025

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Space based solar is in very low earth orbit. IOW, it shades the Earth, decreasing the amount of energy that reaches Earth.

Does it? Because they are beaming that energy back to earth, just to a very specific place.

Solar panels are ~40% efficient. So they capture and beam 40% of the energy, and the other 60% gets reflected away and/or radiated as heat. Reflected energy won't hit Earth. Some of the heat will be radiated to Earth and some won't.

Re: Japan will try to beam solar power from space by 2025

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Space based solar is in very low earth orbit. IOW, it shades the Earth, decreasing the amount of energy that reaches Earth.

Does it? Because they are beaming that energy back to earth, just to a very specific place.

Wouldn't it already then be energy on earth but now it's energy that humans can make use of?

It's a benefit because it's energy that doesn't require releasing carbon to aquire and make use of.

Re: Japan will try to beam solar power from space by 2025

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post #12

Aren’t we trying to manage the energy we already get, and maybe even get less energy? Isn’t it that at the current rates with our modified atmosphere we are going to cook ourselves ?

The big problem is the peaky-ness of the current renewables. They're either very weather dependent, ecologically intensive or time dependent. This solves a lot of this by moving the actual capture above us, into geostationary orbit where there's still plenty of space and by using microwaves (rather than traditional light) you can avoid clouds.

I would say it replaces one problem with 1000 harder ones. Space based solar power just doesn't make a ton of sense, either from a capacity or cost per watt-hour sense.

Re: Japan will try to beam solar power from space by 2025

#28
post #15

I’m no rocket scientist but surely it’s cheaper to build more panels and batteries on Earth? Launching stuff into orbit is expensive in cash and emissions.

Not many places to build solar panels in Japan.

They tried building on mountain faces but shoddy construction by yakuza linked companies lead to landslides[0] and many dead people a couple of years ago.

For the record, I live in a remote mountainous (snowy) region and have panels generating 10kw on my roof. It generates really well 8 months out of the year. 2 months of snow and another couple of months for the rainy season and I’m still generating more than I use in a year. If the govt is willing to reintroduce subsidies and raise the fees in tariffs, a lot more people would be willing to install them.

0: https://m.energytrend.com/news/20210810-22918.html

Re: Japan will try to beam solar power from space by 2025

#29
Curious question, why not use this approach for example with wind farms or solar farms? You'd avoid the need to build high capacity cables which are sometimes a reason why renewables do not spread that much. I can imagine that coming into contact with this beam is not something anyone would wish for.

You could beam energy up to a station in the orbit which would then redirect it to the place where energy is needed. You could then get "easily" energy from solar farms in Sahara, for example.

Re: Japan will try to beam solar power from space by 2025

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post #12

Aren’t we trying to manage the energy we already get, and maybe even get less energy? Isn’t it that at the current rates with our modified atmosphere we are going to cook ourselves ?

The big problem is the peaky-ness of the current renewables. They're either very weather dependent, ecologically intensive or time dependent. This solves a lot of this by moving the actual capture above us, into geostationary orbit where there's still plenty of space and by using microwaves (rather than traditional light) you can avoid clouds.

They already possess fossil fuel plants that can be turned on for those rare occasions where nothing else is working. If they run only 1% of the time it is the least important problem. Even if they run 10% of the time it's still a massive decrease in CO2, without requiring putting things in orbit.
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