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In every country people think others are less happy than they themselves say (2017)

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Re: In every country people think others are less happy than they themselves say (2017)

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Knowing someone who grew up in HK, they're the most impossibly optimistic person I know. Maybe there's something in the food :P

From Hong Kong and I’m curious when this survey is conducted. Seriously I can’t imagine people being happy over the trauma the last few years

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Re: In every country people think others are less happy than they themselves say (2017)

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Knowing someone who grew up in HK, they're the most impossibly optimistic person I know. Maybe there's something in the food :P

From Hong Kong and I’m curious when this survey is conducted. Seriously I can’t imagine people being happy over the trauma the last few years

No.

This image was from 2017. Data maybe earlier.

Re: In every country people think others are less happy than they themselves say (2017)

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> Yup, and it shows that most people are happy but still think that most other people are unhappy This (and alike) conclusion is likely wrong. If there is a societal/cultural/political expectation to project happiness, people will say they are happy. Many people wouldn’t say they are unhappy to a stranger. Fun fact, sociologists in Russia asking people nowadays “how do people around you feel? good/bad/worried/etc.” e…

This explanation is so obvious that I consider any study or chart that doesn't scream this at the reader in big red letters to be nothing short of propaganda.

The conclusion those "researchers" would like to draw is that the world is better than "the people" think, when the far more plausible interpretation is that the world is so horribly bad that people are scared to even talk about how they feel.

Re: In every country people think others are less happy than they themselves say (2017)

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Another explanation except "news only show creepy stuff": it's simply that people have different priorities. And we judge other people's life situations according to theirs, and conclude that their lives suck because we would feel unhappy being in their place, just because our priorities are different.

Let's say person A is very career oriented and keeps moving cities and countries to do jobs they are offered, their income skyrocketing, but they don't have any extended family connections or close friends because they move frequently and don't feel attached to the place.

A person B lives where they were born and have a loving extended family, support them and can always expect to be supported, but as a result, they are stuck in a dead-end, poorly paid job with no prospects because they don't have many opportunities there.

Both persons live according to their priorities and are happy; both believe life of another one sucks. And there are plenty of other dimensions in which the same thing can take place.

Re: In every country people think others are less happy than they themselves say (2017)

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> Yup, and it shows that most people are happy but still think that most other people are unhappy This (and alike) conclusion is likely wrong. If there is a societal/cultural/political expectation to project happiness, people will say they are happy. Many people wouldn’t say they are unhappy to a stranger. Fun fact, sociologists in Russia asking people nowadays “how do people around you feel? good/bad/worried/etc.” e…

This explanation is so obvious that I consider any study or chart that doesn't scream this at the reader in big red letters to be nothing short of propaganda. The conclusion those "researchers" would like to draw is that the world is better than "the people" think, when the far more plausible interpretation is that the world is so horribly bad that people are scared to even talk about how they feel.

I remember an analogue phenomenon in recent years on UK election polls.

They would consistenly underestimate Conservative votes, because conservative voters would shy away from publicly admiting their voting intentions.

Re: In every country people think others are less happy than they themselves say (2017)

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> Yup, and it shows that most people are happy but still think that most other people are unhappy This (and alike) conclusion is likely wrong. If there is a societal/cultural/political expectation to project happiness, people will say they are happy. Many people wouldn’t say they are unhappy to a stranger. Fun fact, sociologists in Russia asking people nowadays “how do people around you feel? good/bad/worried/etc.” e…

This explanation is so obvious that I consider any study or chart that doesn't scream this at the reader in big red letters to be nothing short of propaganda. The conclusion those "researchers" would like to draw is that the world is better than "the people" think, when the far more plausible interpretation is that the world is so horribly bad that people are scared to even talk about how they feel.

I found a book a while ago, that made me change my perspective about how I see the world as a whole.

This is the book, it's called Factfulness: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37850908-factfulness

There are a lot of bad things that happen around us (war, hunger, discrimination, etc), but we are at the best time in the entire human history, even with that. Compared with every metric in history, we are better. Even where it's bad, it's less bad than it used to be.

Re: In every country people think others are less happy than they themselves say (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This explanation is so obvious that I consider any study or chart that doesn't scream this at the reader in big red letters to be nothing short of propaganda. The conclusion those "researchers" would like to draw is that the world is better than "the people" think, when the far more plausible interpretation is that the world is so horribly bad that people are scared to even talk about how they feel.

I found a book a while ago, that made me change my perspective about how I see the world as a whole. This is the book, it's called Factfulness: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37850908-factfulness There are a lot of bad things that happen around us (war, hunger, discrimination, etc), but we are at the best time in the entire human history, even with that. Compared with every metric in history, we are better. Even…

> Compared with every metric in history, we are better.

That claim alone should immediately make you doubt the metrics being used. In fact, it's easy to find dozens of metrics for which this isn't true. Housing affordability being a very obvious example. And the average democracy index has been going downwards for 15 consecutive years IIRC. Environmental pollution also most certainly isn't "at the best time in the entire human history". You've fallen for propaganda, I'm afraid.

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This chart beggars belief. Could we have a link to the actual studies, and not an anonymous image, please??

Here you are: https://ourworldindata.org/collective-pessimism-and-our-inab...

This should be the top link, not the image. The discussion here might be much better if commenters read the article the graph is attached to.

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Could someone help me understand this plot? What i guessed: 1. Participants were asked how happy they are. 2. After that they were asked about what percentage of people from /their own country/ would answer happy or very happy. 3. Plot XY of the ratio of people who answered happy or very happy (x axis) vs their average of the percentage of how this happy people estimate how many people answered like them (y axis). Di…

Yup, and it shows that most people are happy but still think that most other people are unhappy

But when I visit Facebook, I feel everybody is happy except me.

Re: In every country people think others are less happy than they themselves say (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found a book a while ago, that made me change my perspective about how I see the world as a whole. This is the book, it's called Factfulness: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37850908-factfulness There are a lot of bad things that happen around us (war, hunger, discrimination, etc), but we are at the best time in the entire human history, even with that. Compared with every metric in history, we are better. Even…

> Compared with every metric in history, we are better. That claim alone should immediately make you doubt the metrics being used. In fact, it's easy to find dozens of metrics for which this isn't true. Housing affordability being a very obvious example. And the average democracy index has been going downwards for 15 consecutive years IIRC. Environmental pollution also most certainly isn't "at the best time in the en…

I haven't read the book but my assumption would be that they're thinking at larger sample sizes than you're currently thinking off.

The last 50 decades have probably been the golden years of western civilization and democratic freedom, despite the evidence of decline within the last few years

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