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Post by mrtranscendence »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #144

https://phind.com has this feature from the start on ... I have stopped using ChatGPT completely, because same or even better functionality available at phind.com with GPT-4...

Phind is fine, except that it's quite unlikely to actually use GPT-4 even when you select "Use Best Model". It takes your query and tries to predict whether it's highly complex and technical, and will only use GPT-4 if that's the case. It's surprisingly difficult to trigger GPT-4 here.

This used to be clearer because Phind would tell you which model it used. Now it says "PHIND MODEL", which muddies the water a bit.

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Post by esalman »

firloop wrote: post #100
esalman wrote: post #89

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It is. The company I work for apparently have purchased a version of GPT4 that does not send data back to OpenAI. The conversation is still recorded by the folks who are maintaining it though.

Is this the Azure deployment of GPT-4 or something else?

Yes, so far as I know.

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Post by reaperman »

seventhtiger wrote: post #135
reaperman wrote: post #48

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Does OpenAI block Saudi or does Saudi block ChatGPT? When I lived there, many many websites were blocked by Saudi, particularly anything to do with Islam. If OpenAI is blocking Saudi, it may be legal compliance as OpenAI is likely not yet confident in their ability to filter conversations about religion in regions where that would be effectively banned. Saudi is currently working very, very hard to limit the spread a…

OpenAI does not offer its services in Saudi Arabia. Saudis are blocked from registering. It's not a government block which works entirely differently and shows you a page explaining that it is blocked. If it's blocked for political reasons I'd like to understand why, so we can understand their values that allow all those countries on the list but not Saudi. I was able to register with a US phone number and VPN, but I…

You've insinuated that any block done by OpenAI would be for political reasons, but would you accept that perhaps they feel they would be breaking law in Saudi Arabia? So, "legal reasons", rather than political.

Does Bing offer their chat AI in Saudi? Or just search results. Search results are easy to filter and have a whole framework for compliance in GCC countries that is relatively straightforward to follow.

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Post by seventhtiger »

reaperman wrote: post #163
seventhtiger wrote: post #135

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OpenAI does not offer its services in Saudi Arabia. Saudis are blocked from registering. It's not a government block which works entirely differently and shows you a page explaining that it is blocked. If it's blocked for political reasons I'd like to understand why, so we can understand their values that allow all those countries on the list but not Saudi. I was able to register with a US phone number and VPN, but I…

You've insinuated that any block done by OpenAI would be for political reasons, but would you accept that perhaps they feel they would be breaking law in Saudi Arabia? So, "legal reasons", rather than political. Does Bing offer their chat AI in Saudi? Or just search results. Search results are easy to filter and have a whole framework for compliance in GCC countries that is relatively straightforward to follow.

My insinuation of a political reason come after a glaring exclusion and complete silence when asked. Answering the question would help clarify their position.

Yes I'm talking about Bing's chat AI. There is absolutely no indication or precedent for legal concern.

I know people who work at Saudi Authority for Data and AI. They have no idea why we're blocked, while UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman can use it.

They've been holding regular AI talks and hackathons to grow the local talent. But we don't have access to GPT4 API and it's holding us back.

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Post by amstan »

londons_explore wrote: post #151
joshspankit wrote: post #141

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If users want something functionally impossible then that’s an education thing not a product thing. I fully expect that when I send text to a service that the provider can read all of it. Like of course they can, they have to process it.

A privacy protecting telegram bot isn't impossible. The code of the bot could be run locally on the users phone to generate the responses. Or telegram themselves could run a "bot server", where bot owners could upload code to, but not inspect logs of messages going to/from each user.

> code of the bot could be run locally

How is that closer to a "telegram bot" and not just a "phone app"?

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Post by oidar »

ineedasername wrote: post #77
oidar wrote: post #13

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> Remember, this response takes a departure from reality and embraces playful inconsistencies for the sake of imagination and entertainment. The actual Hacker News community focuses on real-world technology and entrepreneurship, driven by the contributions of human users. You had to ruin it chatGPT.

I tell it to stop that, but it still does that sort of thing every few prompts when it loses the immediate token context window. Sometimes it’s wider continuity [1] will keep it off that pedantic path longer, but I still have to occasionally put into prompts things like “don’t remind me about blah blah blah every time” [1] “continuity” is what it called the ability when, after about a half dozen prompts of interrogat…

Did you find it? I'm interested to see if it's testable. I think ChatGPT just drops context that doesn't fit in the context window anymore - and then based on context it continues the conversation. within the 8k context window, it works really well because ppl keep revisiting important bits, so there isn't much lost there. I haven't seen OpenAI talk about condensing prior context, and I don't think ChatGPT has any other knowledge about itself other than what is in it's system part of the prompt. It doesn't really know what happens to the prior context, it just wants to finish the document that is being created.

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Post by pk-protect-ai »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #161
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #144

https://phind.com has this feature from the start on ... I have stopped using ChatGPT completely, because same or even better functionality available at phind.com with GPT-4...

Phind is fine, except that it's quite unlikely to actually use GPT-4 even when you select "Use Best Model". It takes your query and tries to predict whether it's highly complex and technical, and will only use GPT-4 if that's the case. It's surprisingly difficult to trigger GPT-4 here. This used to be clearer because Phind would tell you which model it used. Now it says "PHIND MODEL", which muddies the water a bit.

if you click retry icon, it will always run GPT-4 and it is telling that it is a GPT-4 model. PHIND MODEL is the 3.5-turbo, tuned I suppose.

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Post by jacquesm »

flangola7 wrote: post #148
jacquesm wrote: post #121

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It disables it for you . But I would not bet on it also disabling it for OpenAI and even if it does today there is no guarantee it will be like that tomorrow.

It is deleted after 30 days, the same as their API

You know this how? Because they say so or because you've audited them?
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