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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by Auracle »

markmark wrote: post #207
newZWhoDis wrote: post #172

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No credible scientific evidence exists that ingesting fluoride is beneficial. Whenever you point this out, people respond with studies that focused on topical application. This topic is weird. Otherwise intelligent people shut down and begin quoting movies from the 1960’s, and are somehow incapable of distinguishing between a topical mouthwash and oral consumption. Might as well drink sunscreen and talk about the red…

Here you go: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/003335491012500507 We've been putting fluoride in water for a long time, and there are multiple studies that have looking in to it, I don't know why you think there aren't?

There are studies for children, but from what I’ve seen there’s no advantage for adults/permanent teeth. I don’t really think it’s worth potential harm for baby teeth.

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Post by Auracle »

dannyw wrote: post #113
throwaway2037 wrote: post #105

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They irony of all this is that if you want to buy good quality toothpaste you are forced to import it from overseas, due to the FDA limiting ingredients in toothpaste. I never heard such a thing. Can you be more specific? Plus you can buy Darlie toothpaste in most Chinatown's around the world, even if unapproved by local dental orgs.

International versions of Sensodyne contain Novamin, which is a teeth-material-like compound that layers over your teeth to protect it. It has been proven in many clinical trials to not only reduce sensitivity, but also protect against tooth decay and cavities.

Ever since I started brushing with Novamin my dentist has started being really positive about the condition of my teeth in a way I’ve never experienced - even though I haven’t had a cavity in at least 20 years. I didn’t tell him what I’ve been doing.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by Auracle »

xupybd wrote: post #170
epgui wrote: post #167

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Dentists don’t do genome sequencing, so they have no way of ruling out genetics.

Sometimes you don't need to rule everything else out to be confident in a diagnosis.

In this case it’s more “when all you have is a hammer (fluoride)…”

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Post by throwaway8689 »

markmark wrote: post #207
newZWhoDis wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No credible scientific evidence exists that ingesting fluoride is beneficial. Whenever you point this out, people respond with studies that focused on topical application. This topic is weird. Otherwise intelligent people shut down and begin quoting movies from the 1960’s, and are somehow incapable of distinguishing between a topical mouthwash and oral consumption. Might as well drink sunscreen and talk about the red…

Here you go: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/003335491012500507 We've been putting fluoride in water for a long time, and there are multiple studies that have looking in to it, I don't know why you think there aren't?

This study looked solely at impact on dental health. Other studies tell us it is associated with stomach cancer and infertility.

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Post by levzettelin »

adrian_b wrote: post #206
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #119

Adding fluoride to water has always seemed weird to me, since you can't control for how much water someone is drinking or account for different bodily factors like age and weight. I wonder why the European solution of adding it to salt isn't the default, especially given that iodized salt is already so popular and commonplace. As a general rule of thumb, I think it's interesting to scrutinize dosage recommendations a…

No, fluoride must not be added to any food or beverage, because it provides no benefits whatsoever when ingested. Fluoride is beneficial only when applied externally on the dental enamel, so that the fluoride ions will passively substitute the hydroxide ions. There is no known biological process that uses actively fluoride in the human body and excessive ingested fluoride has bad effects, e.g. bone damage. Therefore…

Some people lack the self control to use toothpaste regularly. For those people it's beneficial adding flouride to water.

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Post by throwaway290 »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #181
throwaway290 wrote: post #109

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And since oral hygiene seems to be linked to eg. Alzheimers ( https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/264164 ) and flouride seems to be indispensable oral hygiene thing the issue is not so straightforward...

The link you mention is from the mouth bacteria/plaques and their leakage into the blood stream near the brain. Fluoride is not an antibiotic, so there is no plausible mechanism for it’s known topical benefits to prevent bacterial growth that might lead to Alzheimer’s (itself a theory, but an interesting one)

Fluoride reduces disease by reducing acid that bacteria poop out. Diseased gums and decaying teeth is great for things to leak into blood.

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Post by levzettelin »

a_bonobo wrote: post #184
newZWhoDis wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No credible scientific evidence exists that ingesting fluoride is beneficial. Whenever you point this out, people respond with studies that focused on topical application. This topic is weird. Otherwise intelligent people shut down and begin quoting movies from the 1960’s, and are somehow incapable of distinguishing between a topical mouthwash and oral consumption. Might as well drink sunscreen and talk about the red…

>No credible scientific evidence exists that ingesting fluoride is beneficial. ??? >Regular toothbrushing with fluoride toothpaste is the principal non‐professional intervention to prevent caries, but the caries‐preventive effect varies according to different concentrations of fluoride in toothpaste, with higher concentrations associated with increased caries control. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6398…

rofl

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Post by pfannkuchen »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #199
dosman33 wrote: post #124

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That is funny. However Ill postulate this: Why wouldn't someone go to where the most interesting work is to be found though? You don't become a military doctor if you don't find it interesting stitching up bullet holes. And vice versa, you don't become a military doctor if you're not interested in working on the same.

because you're gay, or black, or not Christian, or don't want to be shot?

Or black? Are you aware that there are quite a lot of black people in Mississippi?

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Post by mvdwoord »

bandyaboot wrote: post #81
ricardobeat wrote: post #33

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I can tell you that salt is not fluoridated in the Netherlands (most people who care about cooking use pure sea salt anyway). As for toothpaste, almost every toothpaste anywhere in the world has it. There is evidence both ways, the original reports were that children's dental health improved after they stopped fluoridation in the 70s.

> There is evidence both ways, the original reports were that children's dental health improved after they stopped fluoridation in the 70s. Has that effect been persistent? I would think the news of flouride being removed from the water would cause an increase in dental health diligence, but I would also be surprised if that effect didn’t wane over time.

I remember growing up in the 80s in the Netherlands I used to get daily fluoride tablets, from a small pink bottle. Did not persist long I believe, but was definitely common back then.

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Post by hello_computer »

wyldfire wrote: post #16
ttctciyf wrote: post #13

This reminded me of an old CAQ/CAIB article I read in the '90s on the impact of fluoride as an industrial pollutant. I found a copy[1] hosted at a site operated by the "Fluoride Action Network", which is also hosting other alarming claims such as: > • As of July 18, 2022, a total of 85 human studies have investigated the relationship between fluoride and human intelligence. > • Of these investigations, 76 studies hav…

Wow, I'd previously scoffed at anti-fluoridation stuff, thinking that everyone who made these claims sounded like General Ripper. But this was an interesting historical perspective. But ... what then keeps us in the status quo of fluoridated water supplies? Aluminum companies, still? seems unlikely that their influence would hold sway for a century. A century during which we have found other environmental pollutants…

Just about every minerals business is going to have loads of fluoride to discard--aluminum, uranium, gypsum, NPK, etc. A few years back I watched a documentary about a fertilizer plant in Morocco, dumping the fluoride they discarded from their NPK mix into the water supply. All of the children near the plant had spindly, twisted arms and legs from skeletal fluorosis.

It is also peculiar that a toxicologist becomes a dentist, and ends up at the atomic energy commission[0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hodge

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