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My startup crossed $2M/yr and now co-founder is going for a power grab

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Re: My startup crossed $2M/yr and now co-founder is going for a power grab

#53
Read the book "extreme ownership". Meditate on it for a couple days. Try to convince your CEO to read it too. It will pay dividends.

Read "the thin book of trust" as well since you don't trust them.

From an outside very detached perspective, it sounds like you fancy yourself CTO in all but title and this other person getting that title puts them above you on the dominance hierarchy for political rather than meritocratic reasons.

Clearly it's your CEO's responsibility to weigh in on this and it's an extreme (and I mean absolutely extreme) dereliction of their duties, a dereliction you should expect more of later. Where there's smoke...

I would definitely set your expectations early, so the path of least resistance for everyone is not the other person becoming CTO. It sounds right now you haven't made it clear that you will feel absolutely disrespected if they become CTO to a point where you will likely be too demoralized to continue (and if they become CTO, it will eat at you day after day, week after week, until you are cynical and useless, and at that point this other person will have completely dominated you, and you will have to come to terms with having submitted to someone else because they played politics better than you).

The CUXO's ambition not being tempered by reality while retaining such large ownership is an even bigger problem than your seemingly imminent demoralization.

> he said he deserved it because he setup the slack and gmail instances so that makes him CTO.

This is pretty extreme technical immaturity that shows lack of a greater understanding of what a CTO does and is.

I think the CEO needs a come to Jesus talk. I think you need to turn what you have explained as a "you vs him" problem into an "us vs the problem" problem. I think taking everything you've said at face value, the person suggesting "chief of product" for their title while you become CTO is probably what makes sense.

If I were you I would probably be feeling pretty troubled by a CEO avoiding their responsibilities, and hiring a person you explicitly don't trust.

Re: My startup crossed $2M/yr and now co-founder is going for a power grab

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appreciate the reply. I think this is probably the best approach, however I find it hard to believe there is a possible title that he could suggest that wouldn't similarly undermine me somehow. I'm trying to avoid the conversation turning into an argument about whose done what for the company because I think it would irreparably harm our already tense working relationship, however I think without a doubt I have overw…

Would CUXO be happy as Chief Product Officer? The whole thing sounds pretty silly, but if you want to be CTO, then CPO seems like a reasonable thing to offer CUXO (if you think he’s any good at product stuff, anyway).

If the CUXO is not a narcissist and does take the companies interest into account, this is probably the most cogent idea in the thread.

CUXO is obviously a ridiculous title as are both CDO titles.

Re: My startup crossed $2M/yr and now co-founder is going for a power grab

#55

Read the book "extreme ownership". Meditate on it for a couple days. Try to convince your CEO to read it too. It will pay dividends. Read "the thin book of trust" as well since you don't trust them. From an outside very detached perspective, it sounds like you fancy yourself CTO in all but title and this other person getting that title puts them above you on the dominance hierarchy for political rather than meritocra…

I would also take a look at nonviolent communication (because what you say right now would definitely manifest as violent communication). If you express what you express right now, you will make CUXO and CEO defensive and if they are defensive, you (everyone really) have lost.

I would also consider asking the following in a probably more friendly way "how would you feel if you had 8 reports and made most of the technical direction decisions, and then somebody with 2 reports and significantly smaller technical contribution were named CTO?"

Re: My startup crossed $2M/yr and now co-founder is going for a power grab

#56
post #15

A good title to help further his career seems like a valid concern (even if the title itself may not be legitimate), but so are your concerns. You could put the burden of finding a solution on him? Share your concerns - that you did the bulk of back-end technical work, and feel that giving someone else the CTO title would devalue it. If he can find a way to get a better title (CTO or something else) without devaluing…

> A good title to help further his career seems like a valid concern Not for the business. Like others have said it’s at least the CEO’s role to work it out and if they said it’s not their problem then there are bigger concerns.

It's also important to consider that in a future interview, they are going to ask "tell me about your time as CTO at ExectuiveSuitDramaCorp?"

So it's not just going to be just a title. Responsibilities will shift towards the title. It is very much a power grab, and if they do not have the power, then that title will hurt them in the future.

Re: My startup crossed $2M/yr and now co-founder is going for a power grab

#57

Crazy that some people can’t just do the work lol come on man. Are titles really that important?

Titles are position within the dominance hierarchy, so they are very important. They determine who the default winners are in the game of politics.

When self interested people are in high authority positions, it hurts the company. When company interested people are in high authority positions, that is a small short term cost to leadership (because those people will be loyal to the company rather than the person above them) but a long term boon.

Re: My startup crossed $2M/yr and now co-founder is going for a power grab

#59
post #46

What about co-CTO? You might not want or care for the label yourself, but the reality is having the label "CTO" in a successful tech company means something. And while that label is not occupied I suspect you'll find individuals will continue to push for it. Just my opinion, but I think either you take the CTO role yourself (and the additional responsibilities) or you share it. I don't think leaving it hanging there…

Was going to suggest the same.

You can both then be "CTO" for credit-taking purposes, have your own specialisations, and should anyone ask for references later, it checks out too.

Re: My startup crossed $2M/yr and now co-founder is going for a power grab

#60
Oh yes, the power of success.

I am sorry for you this is happening, at the same time: it is to be expected as soon as people start seeing|dreaming a lot of money and a legal loop hole.

I hope there is something in writing about the ownership of your company otherwise you stand a change to get out completely empty handed. The fact your CEO wants to keep his hands clean is a major indication to me.

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