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Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by HWR_14 »

vallismortis wrote: post #97

Twenty years ago, I moved from Michigan (a state that uses fluoride) to Mississippi (a state that doesn't use fluoride). My dentist at the time told me that I was going to end up with tooth decay if I stayed down there for more than a few years. Sure enough, five years later I moved back to Michigan and ended up with a cavity in an unusual place. My (new) dentist in Michigan was completely unsurprised. He said there…

For other people moving to Mississippi now, they make fluoride mouthwash that you can use daily to help counteract a lack of fluorinated water.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by s0rce »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #114

FYI: The CDC recommends breastfeeding infants, as breastmilk contains significantly less fluoride than fluoridated drinking water. If breastfeeding is not possible, the CDC also endorses using fluoridated water in infant formula, though it suggests mixing the formula with low-fluoride bottled water to lessen the risk of dental fluorosis. Infants who are fed formula made with fluoridated tap water can have three to fo…

Hmm, its been a while since I worked in the area of dental fluoride (was part of my PhD) but my understanding was systemic exposure pre-eruption was still beneficial. This (possibly biased source) agrees:

https://www.dentalcare.com/en-us/ce-courses/ce334/pre-erupti...

Excess exposure can cause fluorosis but nothing to do with the brain.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by s0rce »

vallismortis wrote: post #97

Twenty years ago, I moved from Michigan (a state that uses fluoride) to Mississippi (a state that doesn't use fluoride). My dentist at the time told me that I was going to end up with tooth decay if I stayed down there for more than a few years. Sure enough, five years later I moved back to Michigan and ended up with a cavity in an unusual place. My (new) dentist in Michigan was completely unsurprised. He said there…

Genetics plays a huge roll. As does your daily dental hygiene routine. Based on you posting here means you probably have access to tooth brush, floss, tooth paste and somewhere to use them daily and effectively, this reduces the impact of water fluoridation variables.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by yownie »

>But the report did find a possible link to cognitive harm at approximately two times the current recommended water fluoridation level, records show.

This is more a report about consuming excess fluoride from other sources that water.

>Because many common foods and drinks contain fluoride, consuming them along with fluoridated water could amount to harmful exposure levels, these experts say.

I do wonder what the other common food and drinks could be

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by s0rce »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #90
alakep wrote: post #17

I don’t brush my teeth because I don’t want the residual fluoride there. It’s healthier to just slosh some vodka around to kill the germs (this wouldn’t work with kids, but hey they’ll lose their first teeth so who cares).

I’m very much anti fluoride in drinking water. And did not buy fluoride tooth paste for my kids until they learned to spit. But 1) kids brush teeth to form a healthy habit, and protect their gums. Kids who do not brush teeth often develop gum disease which can cause tooth loss in the future as adults. 2) residual fluoride isn’t anything to worry about. Just spit the toothpaste out. If you’re super worried about fluor…

Whats the point of calcium fluoride in your toothpaste, the water solubility is very low I would suspect it to do almost nothing, could be wrong, never heard of this. Generally soluble salts like sodium or tin fluoride are used.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by s0rce »

alliao wrote: post #20
alakep wrote: post #17

I don’t brush my teeth because I don’t want the residual fluoride there. It’s healthier to just slosh some vodka around to kill the germs (this wouldn’t work with kids, but hey they’ll lose their first teeth so who cares).

whiskey work better apparently due to acidity

Whiskey is only very weakly acidic, likely having no impact compared to neutral unbuffered vodka.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

yownie wrote: post #144

>But the report did find a possible link to cognitive harm at approximately two times the current recommended water fluoridation level, records show. This is more a report about consuming excess fluoride from other sources that water. >Because many common foods and drinks contain fluoride, consuming them along with fluoridated water could amount to harmful exposure levels, these experts say. I do wonder what the othe…

Black Tea.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by tylersmith »

wyldfire wrote: post #54
simoom22 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But ... what then keeps us in the status quo of fluoridated water supplies? > ...thinking that everyone who made these claims sounded like General Ripper.

So ... it's all Kubrick's fault? The film didn't come out until half way into that century. And now we have generations who've never heard of it.

No, it's the fault of people who scoff at concern about fluoride in tap water without having researched it.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by XorNot »

smrtinsert wrote: post #94
rthomas6 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the article says the report says harm happens at 2x the current recommended fluoridation level.

> But the report did find a possible link to cognitive harm at approximately two times the current Keyword possible.

Also a long history of spurious statistical correlations where you find "possible" links.

e.g. for a while there was a scare for RF from overhead powerlines causing brain cancer.

Turns out, the issue is the statistics used to try and isolate an effect from a general population sample have bias: plug in any effect, and any grouping factor, and you'll probably observe a doubling of the risk.

This effect was the cause of a whole spate of "X may cause cancer" reports in the 2000s.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by analyte123 »

xk_id wrote: post #42
trws wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you consider necessary for “good quality toothpaste?”

I’m not OP or american, but i can comment. >1,500ppm concentration of fluoride is prescription only (so you either pay for a pointless dentist visit or get it on the grey market), despite being safe and much more effective at remineralisation. There are also experimental ingredients such as nanohydroxyapatite and Novamin which are difficult to find on the american market due to the FDA

Carifree sells (expensive) hydroxyapatite toothpaste in the US.
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