HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands • Hacker News Board

Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands

#41

Post by barbariangrunge » Mon, May 29, 2023, 12:25 AM UTC

wongarsu wrote: post #23

TacticalCoder wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I own several HP LaserJet, including the 4M+ "upgraded" with more memory / fonts / an ethernet adapter etc. Amazing machines for the time. So I'm an "old HP printers" fan. And yet I'd never ever buy anything from HP. FWIW I'm very happy with Brother. We've got several Brother laser printers and "laser printer + scanner" and we're very happy with these. Zero problem. HP fell really low.

"Buy a laser printer" is maybe the best workaround. Preferably a slightly older one. Inkjet printers have little competition (3 manufacturers that hold the patents) and are sold in a "give away the razor, sell the blades" type of deal. This is creeping into some of the laser printers lately, and of course there's still differences between brands, but if you pick up a random inkjet printer and a random laser printer y…

My hp laser printer is unusable right now. I can’t get it to print anything consistently. A week later, it sometimes prints half of what I asked it to print

Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands

#42

Post by barbariangrunge » Mon, May 29, 2023, 12:27 AM UTC

Andrex wrote: post #25

fuzzy2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the “correct” direct action of course. However, other printer brands are ever hard at work to copy HP’s advances . So when buying a printer, make sure to research in depth.

I've heard that it's pointless to research, just go with Brother.

Certain newer brother printers are doing some of the things people hate about HP. According to some Reddit threads I saw last month

Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands

#43

Post by MobiusHorizons » Mon, May 29, 2023, 2:56 AM UTC

RjQoLCOSwiIKfpm wrote: post #18

MobiusHorizons wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inkjet as a technology doesn’t stand up well to intermittent use due to ink drying out. I think a lot of consumers buy a printer and use it rarely (idle for weeks at a time). In my experience using an inkjet this way leads to dry ink clogging the head. People don’t easily forget technology letting them down when they needed it.

Does this still happen with current printers or is it one of those ancient memes about printers which don't disappear? When I turn the Epson one off, it audibly parks the head. I would suppose it is parked onto a gasket which would prevent it from drying out. Personally, I don't buy laser printers because I cannot imagine that toner dust isn't unhealthy, and I would be scared of it leaking into the air I breathe. Fee…

It very well could be a problem that has been solved. I have never owned an inkjet personally because of how much trouble my dad had with them when I was a child. I have owned the same laser printer (an HP i found at a second hand computer shop) for the last ten years, and it has basically just worked. I’m just nearing the end of the first tonor cartridge i bought for it, I print relatively rarely, but so far it has just worked every time.

Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands

#44

Post by 2Gkashmiri » Mon, May 29, 2023, 3:19 AM UTC

wongarsu wrote: post #23

TacticalCoder wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I own several HP LaserJet, including the 4M+ "upgraded" with more memory / fonts / an ethernet adapter etc. Amazing machines for the time. So I'm an "old HP printers" fan. And yet I'd never ever buy anything from HP. FWIW I'm very happy with Brother. We've got several Brother laser printers and "laser printer + scanner" and we're very happy with these. Zero problem. HP fell really low.

"Buy a laser printer" is maybe the best workaround. Preferably a slightly older one. Inkjet printers have little competition (3 manufacturers that hold the patents) and are sold in a "give away the razor, sell the blades" type of deal. This is creeping into some of the laser printers lately, and of course there's still differences between brands, but if you pick up a random inkjet printer and a random laser printer y…

I own an HP 5850 inktank printer that stats show I've printed 28k pages and around 4k scans.

You just buy a bottle and pour it in the reservoir.

No chips, no updates. No firmware.

It does have the cleaning head issue that jams and says you only can do it 3 times which I suspect is based on number of pages printed and not actual health of head but not sure.

Re: HP printers should have EPEAT ecolabels revoked, trade group demands

#45

Post by yencabulator » Mon, May 29, 2023, 5:25 PM UTC

Andrex wrote: post #25

fuzzy2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the “correct” direct action of course. However, other printer brands are ever hard at work to copy HP’s advances . So when buying a printer, make sure to research in depth.

I've heard that it's pointless to research, just go with Brother.

That used to be true (just like it used to be true about HP, just a lot further back).

Here's Brother starting to be evil: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131