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Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
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Re: Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
The GPT term clearly has prior art. As this doesnt use an OpenAI service, OpenAI has no leverage (e.g. terminating service).
> OpenAI has no leverage (e.g. terminating service). Uhh... the United States Justice system? Prior art is morally nice but ultimately meaningless unless a judge agrees with you, which can cost a lot of money before you get there, if you get there.
OpenAI has to get a trademark first, they do not own the rights to GPT right now
Re: Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
> OpenAI has no leverage (e.g. terminating service). Uhh... the United States Justice system? Prior art is morally nice but ultimately meaningless unless a judge agrees with you, which can cost a lot of money before you get there, if you get there.
OpenAI has to get a trademark first, they do not own the rights to GPT right now
Re: Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
OpenAI has to get a trademark first, they do not own the rights to GPT right now
https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4809:ho... Dec 2022
They applied in December but it has not gone through yet and may not resolve in either direction until September.
Re: Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
The GPT term clearly has prior art. As this doesnt use an OpenAI service, OpenAI has no leverage (e.g. terminating service).
Being right is one thing. Having enough money to pay a lawyer for how long it takes is another thing.
I like to remind my kids that being right doesn't mean you won't go bankrupt in court proving it.
Re: Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
#16Re: Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
They applied in December but it has not gone through yet and may not resolve in either direction until September.
It says Active. What does that mean?
Your link doesn't go through for me, but this page[1] says
>LIVE/APPLICATION/Under Examination
>The trademark application has been accepted by the Office (has met the minimum filing requirements) and that this application has been assigned to an examiner.
Which, apart from some grammatical confusion, is pretty clear. It looks like they have GPT-3, but GPT, ChatGPT, and GPT-4 are all still pending.
https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=97733259&caseType=SERIAL_...
Re: Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
#18This is an SQL LLM tool from a ShowHN two days ago :
Re: Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> OpenAI has no leverage (e.g. terminating service). Uhh... the United States Justice system? Prior art is morally nice but ultimately meaningless unless a judge agrees with you, which can cost a lot of money before you get there, if you get there.
OpenAI has to get a trademark first, they do not own the rights to GPT right now
"ChatGPT" is a distinctive brand name for OpenAI's particular chatbot system that is based on GPT technology.
However, "GPT" itself is a type of technology (albeit one that was invented by OpenAI). It involves much more than just ChatGPT...even if we just look at OpenAI's own other offerings (e.g. GPT-1, GPT-2, Dall-E, etc.).
The "GP" (generative pretraining) has been a concept in machine learning for many years. The "T" (transformer architecture) was invented in 2017. Thus, the issue for the USPTO will be whether or not combining the "GP" with the "T" is too descriptive or even inherently generic to be "distinctive" to OpenAI.
Sometimes, general terms can become trademarks, by becoming "distinctive" to one company. Microsoft was able to do it with "Windows" (in the field of software, of course). And "booking.com" was able to trademark the word "booking" (for reservation services) in certain contexts. The issue will be whether OpenAI can successfully make the case that they've achieved something similar for the term "GPT" itself. I really remain doubtful of that, given the term's frequent usage as being a type of LLM and a general framework for generative AI.
All that said, I suppose we'll all know for sure soon enough...when the USPTO decides.
Re: Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database
#20Interesting project, but what are your chances of being able to use GPT in your name: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35692476
The GPT term clearly has prior art. As this doesnt use an OpenAI service, OpenAI has no leverage (e.g. terminating service).
OpenAI is filing c&d to all products using GPT in their name and filed a trademark for it.