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Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by Aerbil313 »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #311
hnfong wrote: post #279

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I think the more interesting question is why this symptom mostly happens to "engineers". I've seen enough engineers presume they can easily become experts in law; I haven't seen many lawyers presume they can easily become experts in engineering. Why?

IMO, there's a certain level of arrogance intrinsic to engineering: To build something new, you need a belief, first and foremost, that you can build it at all, and almost as importantly better . Weeding out all the people who don't have, at least to some degree, that belief, and you end up with a disproportionate fraction of people who think that way about everything.

I can confirm I think this way about almost everything. Because I can’t see why I can’t be a lawyer, or a farmer, or a dentist given that I spend enough time to learn it.

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Post by YOJ »

93po wrote: post #281
YOJ wrote: post #228

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are you trolling? comma is the only profitable company you mentioned while its the opposite for way and cruise, both of which are not scalable.

> both of which are not scalable which is the critical element everyone is in denial about, even to the point of saying Tesla has a long way to catch up.

there are just 3 possible options:

1. They are living in a sf USA big city centric bubble. 2. They are very easily influenced by marketing. 3. They are just trolling.

Comma is a product you can buy all code is opensource. All others is just a service, where people could theoretically just be diving remote and they sell it as self driving.

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Post by YOJ »

baby wrote: post #177
thesausageking wrote: post #88

For background, "geohot", is George Hotz, who's a known hacker / tech personality[0] This project fits the pattern of his previous projects: he gets excited about the currently hot thing in tech, makes his own knockoff version, generates a ton of buzz in the tech press for it, and then it fizzles out because he doesn't have the resources or attention span to actually make something at that scale. In 2016, Tesla and s…

Did comma actually tank? I was under the impression that they actually had a good product and were really honest about it too.

that is indeed still the case, the comment is just false. comma just released support for ford cars aswel. and open pilot got rated the best self driving tool above Tesla by consumer reports

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Post by DocSavage »

sanxiyn wrote: post #307
wmf wrote: post #305

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Triton outputs PTX which still requires CUDA to be installed.

Sure, but the point is that Triton is not dependent on CUDA language or frontend. Triton also outputs PTX using LLVM's NVPTX backend. Devils are in the details, but at a very high level, Triton could be ported to AMD by doing s/NVPTX/AMDGPU/. Given this, people should think again when they say NVIDIA has CUDA moat.

I thought this was a good overview of the idea Triton can circumvent the CUDA moat: https://www.semianalysis.com/p/nvidiaopenaitritonpytorch

It also looks like they added MLIR backend to Triton though I wonder if Mojo has advantages since it was designed with MLIR in mind? https://github.com/openai/triton/pull/1004

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Post by hedgehog »

DocSavage wrote: post #324
sanxiyn wrote: post #307

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Sure, but the point is that Triton is not dependent on CUDA language or frontend. Triton also outputs PTX using LLVM's NVPTX backend. Devils are in the details, but at a very high level, Triton could be ported to AMD by doing s/NVPTX/AMDGPU/. Given this, people should think again when they say NVIDIA has CUDA moat.

I thought this was a good overview of the idea Triton can circumvent the CUDA moat: https://www.semianalysis.com/p/nvidiaopenaitritonpytorch It also looks like they added MLIR backend to Triton though I wonder if Mojo has advantages since it was designed with MLIR in mind? https://github.com/openai/triton/pull/1004

I hadn't looked at Triton before, I took a quick look at it and how it's getting used in PyTorch 2. My read is it really lowers the barrier to doing new hardware ports, I think a team of around five people within a chip vendor's team could maintain a high quality port of PyTorch for a non-NVIDIA platform. That's less than it used to be, very cool. The approach would not be to use any of the PTX stuff, but to bolt on support for say the vendor's supported flavor of Vulkan.

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Post by 93po »

YOJ wrote: post #322
93po wrote: post #281

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> both of which are not scalable which is the critical element everyone is in denial about, even to the point of saying Tesla has a long way to catch up.

there are just 3 possible options: 1. They are living in a sf USA big city centric bubble. 2. They are very easily influenced by marketing. 3. They are just trolling. Comma is a product you can buy all code is opensource. All others is just a service, where people could theoretically just be diving remote and they sell it as self driving.

4. they're in the "everything Elon is evil" bubble and refuse to entertain any challenges to this belief

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Post by The_Double »

zaroth wrote: post #152
neom wrote: post #120

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Waymo removed it's backup drivers years ago... https://spectrumnews1.com/ap-top-news/2020/10/08/waymo-remov... https://www.azfamily.com/2022/08/29/waymo-launches-its-self-... There was also a waymo press released this year that stated all rides in Arizona are now backup driver free, although I can't find it.

They removed the human from the car. There’s still humans to recover from the edge cases. I don’t know if they actually remote control the cars or if they have to send a driver though.

When I tried waymo a month or two ago a remote "driver" took over. When we called the support center about it later they told us that it's not them literally taking over the controls, but only giving some additional guidance to the system.

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Post by ActorNightly »

asdfman123 wrote: post #97
threeseed wrote: post #78

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From the actual engineers that were posting on Twitter marginal is putting it lightly. The quality, arrogance and ignorance of enterprise SDLC was akin to that of a 1st year grad.

It was so painful watching self-proclaimed tech geniuses displaying the same moronic attitude I had at 22

I mean imagine being full of vigor to go out and do great things in the tech world, and then get your life almost destroyed by a stupid lawsuit at a young age by people who are much "stupider".

Many of us would absolutely be just as contrarian towards general society as he is, and idolize contrarian figured like Musk.

Doesn't mean that the work he is doing is not valid. It's a shame though because his ideology is very likely to hinder the progress in his companies (like for example policy against remote work).

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Post by ActorNightly »

cyrux004 wrote: post #146
csense wrote: post #33

I respect Geohot's reputation and this company looks amazing. I might be in the market to work there... except "No Remote." For such a smart guy, locking yourself out of a ton of talent by requiring software developers to be on-site in 2023 seems...out of character, to put it politely. (Rephrased, my original post was a bit too ad hominem and accumulating downvotes rapidly. I wanted to delete this entire comment but…

From Twitter Remote work is available to everyone on GitHub. If you submit a bunch of good PRs and show me you are easy to work with, I'm down to pay per project. Source https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/166153013618397184... I'm not anti remote, I'm anti full time remote. It's hard to build a culture

If culture is the thing that is holding your company to it's purpose, you aren't going to succeed.

In the same way Comma went from "Our goal is to solve AI, Comma body is the next big thing" to George peacing out because now they are just doing the busy work to make more money.

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Post by ActorNightly »

dasil003 wrote: post #113
csense wrote: post #33

I respect Geohot's reputation and this company looks amazing. I might be in the market to work there... except "No Remote." For such a smart guy, locking yourself out of a ton of talent by requiring software developers to be on-site in 2023 seems...out of character, to put it politely. (Rephrased, my original post was a bit too ad hominem and accumulating downvotes rapidly. I wanted to delete this entire comment but…

Let's be honest here: remote and in-person is a major tradeoff with significant pros and cons on both sides. Remote work increases your talent pool by 5 orders of magnitude and removes commute overhead, but in-person work increases your communication bandwidth and team cohesion in similarly dramatic ways. Hybrid solutions put a hard cap on the upside of either path and therefore tend to give you the worst of both wor…

Let's say that you are someone with a dedicated drive to contribute to AI, with the ability to grasp the complex program space, and spend many hours figuring out the solution to the problem. I.E the perfect tinygrad candidate.

There is a high chance that you are probably neurodivergent to some extent.

So instead of WFH, where you can remove distractions and work on your own time, you are now forced to abide by someone else's schedule, take time commuting, e.t.c

In office work is for people/positions that require hands on work with hardware, or you are hiring for replaceable positions where people don't have dedication to the cause and are going to do as little work as possible for the same pay. Tinygrad is neither.

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