>Intelligence professionals talk about how disorienting it is living on the inside. You read so much classified information about the world’s geopolitical events that you start seeing the world differently. You become convinced that only the insiders know what’s really going on, because the news media is so often wrong. Your family is ignorant. Your friends are ignorant. The world is ignorant. The only thing keeping…
Yes, agencies have all these capabilities, but at the same time they rarely sway the practical course of history. When the "euromaidan" demos in Ukraine forced regime change, and the Russians hacked and leaked all US/EU diplomatic chatter around it, the contents were utterly banal and predictable. There was no grand conspiracy or execution, just a bunch of interests scrambling to react. Intercepting communications gi…
Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations
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Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations
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It's not even a lie. It's just not democracy. The whole point of democracy as it got invented was that the people can directly vote on any government issues. No direct voting on every day do day policy, no democracy. Simple as that. "It would not be possible in practice" is the actual lie. We have since many years the tech to make it possible to vote on everything by everybody. I'm not saying that everything would be…
Pure democracy as you describe it, even if technically feasible, would still result in tyrannies and terrible outcomes. The biggest problem isn't lack of influence on the laws, it's lack of knowledge, reason, understanding and empathy. And that problem exists whether it's x number of people influencing the outcome, or 1,000,000x. Every negative influence that politicians are open to, the masses are also open to (thou…
Yes more often than not Revolutionary or forward leaning ideas don't get a yes on the first glance.
But at this point the whole population talked about the topic.
And here comes the magic. A few years later a new idea arises better than any idea before and suddenly people get it.
We talk and vote about topics and not politicians.
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The US has Guantanamo Bay. Among others. The US did commit various war crimes in about every of their foreign engagements. Those had to be leaked of course and weren't reported by some self-correction built into the system. The US uses false narratives like "national security" to justify unjustifiable actions regularly. See their economic sanctions, Huawei, etc. pp. The list goes on of course. Now, the one thing clea…
Guantanamo Bay is thousands of times smaller in magnitude than putting millions of your own citizens in concentration camps. It's also reprehensible and should be closed, no one disagrees on that
Also, this is nothing compared to millions of deaths due to wars and entire vast regions fucked up badly for generations. In that aspect, US is much worse than Russia or China, if we check past few decades (which is way more relevant for present than judgling last 200-500 years).
It pains me to say that, because I strongly align most of my values with US ones in this world, but this is fucking horrible and cant be ignored or marginalized. All done for profit of few since day 1.
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You've just made an anti-argument to your own claim. As people are people, real democracy would not be worse than the status quo as we're already ruled by people with lack of knowledge, reason, understanding and empathy. But you can't for example corrupt the majority of all people. So real democracy would be at least in this point better. By no means worse, but better in some regards is a clear win imho! > lack of kn…
I'd love to agree with you but people in general are easily manipulated on mass. Currently the majority are too I'll informed to make appropriate decisions about anything, making them even easily to manipulate. I'll include myself in this. For real democracy to work it's more than giving all people the right to vote on all things. They need to all be informed about all the issues in an impartial way in a way that tho…
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"I want US spy agencies to spy on non-American living outside the US who have information that affects national security without being slowed down by too many procedures" Do you also want other national agencies to spy on US citizens without "being slowed down by too many procedures"? No? Well, if they did not do it before, because of "friendship", then they surely started doing it. Further increasing the amount of i…
> Do you also want other national agencies to spy on US citizens without "being slowed down by too many procedures? They already do, and with less oversight. What makes you think the US not spying on them will change their behavior? > Further increasing the amount of illegal hacking for everyone. There is no law that prevents countries from spying on each other, so I don't know what you think is illegal here.
"There is no law that prevents countries from spying on each other, so I don't know what you think is illegal here. "
Depending on your definition of "law", is there a law preventing agencies from going somewhere else and killing and stealing as they see fit?
International law is kind of complicated, but the basic idea is to not interfere with each other to keep the peace.
And activly hacking foreign computers is considered interfering.
How would you consider the act, if a foreign agency would hack the Phone of Biden?
Probably hostile?
Well yes, that was how it was considered in germany, when it became known that the NSA did hack the phone of Merkel. The reason why we are still allies is merely, that russia and china are indeed worse. And that is the reason, why the US is still kind of "the leader of the free world". But keep on doing Guantanamo stuff, hack every friendly nation, say "fuck the EU" and other countries might decide one day, they might as well stick with china then.
Some african and asian states made that decision already.
Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations
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I'd love to agree with you but people in general are easily manipulated on mass. Currently the majority are too I'll informed to make appropriate decisions about anything, making them even easily to manipulate. I'll include myself in this. For real democracy to work it's more than giving all people the right to vote on all things. They need to all be informed about all the issues in an impartial way in a way that tho…
> I'd love to agree with you but people in general are easily manipulated on mass. It's even easier with single persons or small groups… Just given them a little bit money or alternatively aim with a gun at them or someone they love. This method wouldn't scale to a whole society. > Currently the majority are too I'll informed to make appropriate decisions about anything […] > They need to all be informed about all th…
At no point did I say anything of the sort, and I'm not sure how you've extrapolated that from what I've said.
Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd love to agree with you but people in general are easily manipulated on mass. Currently the majority are too I'll informed to make appropriate decisions about anything, making them even easily to manipulate. I'll include myself in this. For real democracy to work it's more than giving all people the right to vote on all things. They need to all be informed about all the issues in an impartial way in a way that tho…
The point of democracy is not that everybody is perfectly informed to come to the logically best outcome. The point is that it gives a people agency over their own future. If they choose to be ill-informed and pick bad candidates, they own the consequences. Democracy does not lead to the best outcome, but to the most fair one.
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Pure democracy as you describe it, even if technically feasible, would still result in tyrannies and terrible outcomes. The biggest problem isn't lack of influence on the laws, it's lack of knowledge, reason, understanding and empathy. And that problem exists whether it's x number of people influencing the outcome, or 1,000,000x. Every negative influence that politicians are open to, the masses are also open to (thou…
See Switzerland. Yes most of the time new ideas are not easily heart, but the whole population gets to hear it and vote on it. Yes more often than not Revolutionary or forward leaning ideas don't get a yes on the first glance. But at this point the whole population talked about the topic. And here comes the magic. A few years later a new idea arises better than any idea before and suddenly people get it. We talk and…
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What many people in the West don't realise is that "patriotic" Russians have this very twisted mix of national self depreciation and self glorification. Self depreciation, because they are conditioned to believe with all their hearts "democracy cannot work here". Why? Because they consider their own nature "too bad for it" (too criminal, corrupt, short sighted and so on). They think only "rule of a strong arm" can keep them strong therefore safe. Therefore all attempts to establish democracy in Russia is a western plot to make them weak. Their national self glorification comes from racism and xenophobia. They fear other cultures and people so much they cannot feel safe unless they enslave everyone in a 500 km radius around their borders. The country is in absolute ruin, but the majority of the population "feels good" if they can think they rule over others and those people have it worse. This "patriotic Russian" mindset is a cancer on human condition similar to what took over people when they voted Hitler into power in Nazi Germany. This way of thinking wasn't rare 200 years ago, but the majority of the world moved on. Russia didn't. Why? Why could Germany largely "fix" it's madness that was Nazism and Russia can't? The difference is that Germany was defeated in war and it was forced to do it against it's will with force. Many Russians to this day consider their Soviet history "glorious".
It is such country Snowden decided to escape to. Russians no doubt love it, but they'll never trust him. Don't be surprised if he gets visited by the serial suicider. Living there he knows very well he will be alive only as long as he is useful. That usefulness can span various things. Giving confidential info, teaching them how US systems and procedures work internally, but there will come a point in time when they'll extract his entire "practical knowledge" and then all he will have is his face and name. When this time comes expect to see him in more and more tv interviews that glorify Russia and diminish the West. This way eventually he will burn through any credibility he has left in the West. Then he will be killed and Russia will accuse US of doing that.
He isn't stupid, he must be aware of how this works. He couldn't "compromise his ideals" to work for NSA with the knowledge he had? So now he is working for people a thousand times worse. Is he feeling better? The whole idea is silly. No one in Russia believes it.
If he really wanted to expose NSA to the US public he could've done it in many different ways without committing treason by handing over information and devices to FSB.
Personally I think he was an operative for a while. He either realised he is going to get caught, or his handlers decided he can't provide them with more value in his current position so they steered him into doing that entire "expose". Perhaps one day we'll learn how did they get to him in the first place.
Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations
#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Snowden was apparently fairly active as a protester against government surveillance before he got his gig as an NSA contractor. This is a bastardized version of events. Snowden had a number of jobs that required high level clearance from 2006-2013. He supposedly took the final Booz Allen Hamilton job because it had a great deal of access to data, but he had long since passed the security checks necessary to get the…
So, was Snowden a visibly active protester against government surveillance before getting the job? If so, did the government fail to notice or did they notice and not care? How extreme should such activity be before it become a "real reason for Snowden to fail the security checks"?
Second, some coworkers afterward the leaks said they thought Snowden had started to act disgruntled towards the industry, but he was never a "visibly active protester against government surveillance." He was an active cog in government surveillance from ~2006 til 2013.
You're kind of right that he seemingly only took the Booz Allen Hamilton job to get access to data, but every other detail you're way off on.