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Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by maest »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #162
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Cheney's war was significantly more justified than Putin's war? People who start wars are legitimately bad, but let's not pretend that Russia is special here .

Yes. Saddam Hussein was one of the worst leaders in history and the neocons legitimately thought they could create a free market utopia in Iraq (lmao), check out Imperial Life in the Emerald City. They fucked up horribly and made Iraq worse because they were incompetent morons who fired the entire army and didn't bother to make sure people actually had basic services. Putin wants to reestablish the Russian Empire and…

So Iraq was a war done out of charity?

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by redeeman »

pstuart wrote: post #132
redeeman wrote: post #126

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no, I also believe he misspoke, but the point was, "we" take trumps jokes at total face value, as to actually believe he asked the russians, where if you watch the video, and know anything about how trump talks, you know he was not really asking them to do that, but making a joke. Something he often does. It may have been a stupid joke to make, all things considered, but it was one nonetheless. If you can suspend bli…

That's an interesting pivot. You brought it up in the context of it being a confession but now it's not? His ask was actually delivered on shortly after: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-asked-russia-to-... Trump had plans to build in Moscow, held unprecedented unsupervised conversations with Putin, etc. I could go on and on, but would you listen or care? Anyway, we're effectively sullying the salient valu…

i brought it up as such to hopefully be able to spark the idea that saying words does not mean that the words without any context means exactly what they are at face value.

Whether it was delivered on, is irellevant, if I made a joke asking putin to hack into a US aircraft carrier to find surveillance of their toilet facilities, and it happened, would it logically follow that they did it because I said so?

also, facts are facts, let Hillarys emails speak for themselves.

we had to hear nearly every single day from the talking heads and top democrats how they had seen mountains of evidence of direct collusion, and yet it was not presented. Did you read the müller report? I did.

edit: and isnt it also entirely possible that if russia did "respond" to trumps "ask", they did it to make "you" believe he colludes with them, to hurt him?

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by EGreg »

throwaway892238 wrote: post #176

Years ago, when I interviewed at places that did USG-related work, the stuff I heard about that I didn't have to sign an NDA to hear , scared me enough that I knew Snowden-scale stuff was entirely within the capabilities of the US Govt. I didn't realize they would use it against us just blatantly in direct violation of every law put in place to prevent it, though. I think the lesson I learned from the Snowden leaks i…

Same with corporations, too:

https://community.qbix.com/t/balancing-privacy-and-accountab...

https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=169

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by ROTMetro »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #152
FormerBandmate wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Do you think Cheney's war was significantly more justified than Putin's war? People who start wars are legitimately bad, but let's not pretend that Russia is special here .

Instantly to the 'what about' deflection.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

drumhead wrote: post #48

Realistically intelligence agencies have access to whatever information they want. If they can crack encryption they're not going to tell us and they will probably act like they can't. You're compromised and you have no secrets and can't hide anything from them. The best thing we can do is stay safe from criminals.

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Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by lern_too_spel »

hutzlibu wrote: post #163
lern_too_spel wrote: post #87

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Or people care, but they don't care in the direction that GP wants. I want US spy agencies to spy on non-American living outside the US who have information that affects national security without being slowed down by too many procedures. I don't want them to spy on Americans, but the government actively works to prevent the agencies from doing this, so it's working as intended.

"I want US spy agencies to spy on non-American living outside the US who have information that affects national security without being slowed down by too many procedures" Do you also want other national agencies to spy on US citizens without "being slowed down by too many procedures"? No? Well, if they did not do it before, because of "friendship", then they surely started doing it. Further increasing the amount of i…

> Do you also want other national agencies to spy on US citizens without "being slowed down by too many procedures?

They already do, and with less oversight. What makes you think the US not spying on them will change their behavior?

> Further increasing the amount of illegal hacking for everyone.

There is no law that prevents countries from spying on each other, so I don't know what you think is illegal here.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by ROTMetro »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #123
FormerBandmate wrote: post #121

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> It's important to remember that they invaded Ukraine for no reason This is not true. Real people have motives, „being evil“ is a child's explanation for things it doesn’t understand.

What reductionist drivel. Discussion involves making actual points with logic and examples, in this case that would be examples about why Russia's actions (killing tens of thousands of civilians when the year prior to the war only 21 people were killed over territorial conflict, mainly by mines) and motivations (launching a war of aggression against a neighboring country that did nothing in the immediate time frame to justify such a murderous ESCALLATION on Russia's part, there was no immediate need to resort to overwhelming force) and are not evil (even though their troops use rape, pillage, and keep authority over their own through violence).

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by acdha »

ok123456 wrote: post #140
pstuart wrote: post #103

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As I understand it, the Wikileaks DNC email dump was just a front for Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...

Why wasn't there a discussion of the contents of the leaks, that the DNC did everything in their power to coronate Hillary, and only a discussion of the leak's provenance?

There was a ton of discussion about those claims but it largely stalked because the leaked emails didn’t show anything significant. You can still find Bernie die-hards claiming a conspiracy but they’re generally ignored because there’s no evidence that he did anything but lose fairly.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by lern_too_spel »

ok123456 wrote: post #140
pstuart wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, the Wikileaks DNC email dump was just a front for Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...

Why wasn't there a discussion of the contents of the leaks, that the DNC did everything in their power to coronate Hillary, and only a discussion of the leak's provenance?

There was. Only barely literate morons and Russian social media astroturfers interpreted the leaked documents that way.
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