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Even for that, you'd be surprised: (1) get oneself into or out of a situation by lying. "you lied your way on to this voyage by implying you were an experienced crew" (2) (of a thing) present a false impression. "the camera cannot lie"
1) sounds like intent is present there? 2) "the camera cannot lie" - cameras have no intent? I feel like I'm missing something from those definitions that you're trying to show me? I don't see how they support your implication that one can ignore intent when identifying a lie. (It would help if you cited the source you're using.)
Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused
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#232Re: Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused
#233If I were the judge in this case, I would be looking to throw this lawyer in prison for a month, and ban him from ever being a lawyer again... Deliberately lying to the court, as a professional who should understand the consequences, in a way likely to not be detected, and likely to change the outcome of the case, ought to be met with a really strict punishment.
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#234No, it did not “double-check”—that’s not something it can do! And stating that the cases “can be found on legal research databases” is a flat out lie. What’s harder is explaining why ChatGPT would lie in this way. What possible reason could LLM companies have for shipping a model that does this? It did this because it's copying how humans talk, not what humans do. Humans say "I double checked" when asked to verify so…
ChatGPT did not lie; it cannot lie. It was given a sequence of words and tasked with producing a subsequent sequence of words that satisfy with high probability the constraints of the model. It did that admirably. It's not its fault, or in my opinion OpenAI's fault, that the output is being misunderstood and misused by people who can't be bothered understanding it and project their own ideas of how it should function…
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#235Wow, I asked Bard to summarize the NYT article and it completely changed the outcome: > Sure. The article is about a man named Roberto Mata who sued Avianca Airlines after he was injured when a metal serving cart struck his knee during a flight to Kennedy International Airport in New York. His lawyer used a new language model called ChatGPT to help him with the case. ChatGPT is a large language model that can generat…
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
ChatGPT did not lie; it cannot lie. It was given a sequence of words and tasked with producing a subsequent sequence of words that satisfy with high probability the constraints of the model. It did that admirably. It's not its fault, or in my opinion OpenAI's fault, that the output is being misunderstood and misused by people who can't be bothered understanding it and project their own ideas of how it should function…
The problem comes from people who call LLMs AIs. Then people who don't know how they work assume it is intelligent when it is not. I'm pretty sure that OpenAI is at fault in this by not informing users of the truth.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
ChatGPT did not lie; it cannot lie. It was given a sequence of words and tasked with producing a subsequent sequence of words that satisfy with high probability the constraints of the model. It did that admirably. It's not its fault, or in my opinion OpenAI's fault, that the output is being misunderstood and misused by people who can't be bothered understanding it and project their own ideas of how it should function…
This harks back to around 1999 when people would often blame computers for mistakes in their math, documents, reports, sworn filings, and so on. Then, a thousand different permutations of "computers don't make mistakes" or "computers are never wrong" became popular sayings. Large Language Models (LLMs) are never wrong, and they do not make mistakes. They are not fact machines. Their purpose is to abstract knowledge a…
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#238Wow, I asked Bard to summarize the NYT article and it completely changed the outcome: > Sure. The article is about a man named Roberto Mata who sued Avianca Airlines after he was injured when a metal serving cart struck his knee during a flight to Kennedy International Airport in New York. His lawyer used a new language model called ChatGPT to help him with the case. ChatGPT is a large language model that can generat…
Oh dear!
> The article is about the use of large language models (LLMs) in the legal profession. The author argues that LLMs have the potential to revolutionize the way lawyers practice law, by automating many of the tasks that are currently done manually. For example, LLMs could be used to generate legal documents, research case law, and identify relevant precedents. The author also argues that LLMs could be used to improve the quality of legal services, by providing lawyers with access to a vast amount of information and expertise. However, the author also acknowledges that there are some challenges that need to be addressed before LLMs can be widely adopted in the legal profession. These challenges include the need for LLMs to be trained on large amounts of data, the need for LLMs to be able to understand the nuances of legal language, and the need for LLMs to be able to generate accurate and reliable results. Despite these challenges, the author believes that LLMs have the potential to make a significant impact on the legal profession, and that they are likely to become increasingly important in the years to come.
Here are some of the benefits of using LLMs in the legal profession:
LLMs can automate many of the tasks that are currently done manually, freeing up lawyers to focus on more complex work. LLMs can access and process vast amounts of information, which can help lawyers to make better decisions. LLMs can identify patterns and trends that would be difficult for humans to see, which can help lawyers to spot potential problems. LLMs can generate creative solutions to legal problems, which can help lawyers to find new and innovative ways to represent their clients. Here are some of the challenges that need to be addressed before LLMs can be widely adopted in the legal profession:
LLMs need to be trained on large amounts of data, which can be expensive and time-consuming. LLMs need to be able to understand the nuances of legal language, which can be difficult for computers to do. LLMs need to be able to generate accurate and reliable results, which can be a challenge for complex legal problems. Overall, the author believes that LLMs have the potential to make a significant impact on the legal profession, and that they are likely to become increasingly important in the years to come.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't lie like a duck. It unintentionally says falsehoods. Lying is intentional.
It doesn't really matter. This always bugs me about how people judge politicians and other public figures not by what they've actually done, but some ideal of what is in their "heart of hearts" and their intentions and argue that they've just been constrained by the system they were in or whatever. Or when judging the actions of nations, people often give all kinds of excuses based on intentions gone wrong (apparentl…
Too much attention on intentions is generally just a means of self-justification and avoiding consequences and, when it comes right down to it, trying to make ourselves feel better for profiting from systems/products/institutions that are doing things that have some objectively bad outcomes.
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#240Everyone is talking about ChatGPT , but is it not possible to train a model with only actual court documents and keep “temp” low and get accuracy levels as high or better than humans? Most legal (all formal really) documents are very predictably structured and should be easy to generate
The task effectively also requires a case and paragraph impact meter which do exist in some law databases to one extend or another, effectively weighing how subsequent rulings consider, weight, and follow past cases, caveats, exceptions, and outright considering past rulings as bad law.
Then you have the issue of changing laws and the impact these may have on past cases as they may change the test and requirements needed to be considered and even much new case law needed to be developed to interpret the new legislation. So the model would need to have a historical knowledge of the law and how it was applied.
You would also need to feed it relevant surrounding information that may aid in interpreting said law. In the US, clearly the founding father's opinions and beliefs appear to play a significant part on the currently more originalist interpretative school of thought.
In the UK/Australia for example readings in parliament and even the underpinning reports that prompted the change in legislation may be considered where there is ambiguity in order to interpret legislation. Australian legislation nowadays also tends to incorporate an objective of the legislation and a section that says that where ambiguity exists to interpret it in a way that would further the objectives of the legislation.
So, it's really not a trivial problem.