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Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused

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Re: Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused

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> He had, he told Judge Castel, even asked the program to verify that the cases were real. It had said yes. It turns out, asking an unreliable narrator if it's being reliable is not a sound strategy.

I wonder if this is a tactic so the court to deems this lawyer incompetent rather than giving the (presumably much harsher) penalty for deliberately lying to the court?

Re: Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused

#13

> He had, he told Judge Castel, even asked the program to verify that the cases were real. It had said yes. It turns out, asking an unreliable narrator if it's being reliable is not a sound strategy.

Remember that professor who fed student essays to ChatGPT and asked if it wrote them. Mostly ChatGPT would reply yes, and the professor proceeded to fail the students.

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No, it did not “double-check”—that’s not something it can do! And stating that the cases “can be found on legal research databases” is a flat out lie. What’s harder is explaining why ChatGPT would lie in this way. What possible reason could LLM companies have for shipping a model that does this? It did this because it's copying how humans talk, not what humans do. Humans say "I double checked" when asked to verify so…

Yeah, that was my conclusion too:

What’s a common response to the question “are you sure you are right?”—it’s “yes, I double-checked”. I bet GPT-3’s training data has huge numbers of examples of dialogue like this.

Re: Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused

#15
If I were the judge in this case, I would be looking to throw this lawyer in prison for a month, and ban him from ever being a lawyer again...

Deliberately lying to the court, as a professional who should understand the consequences, in a way likely to not be detected, and likely to change the outcome of the case, ought to be met with a really strict punishment.

Re: Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused

#16

In the other discussion of this topic, a lot of people said the lawyer should be disbarred, but personally I think people should be able to trust the tools marketed by trillion dollar tech companies, and a lot of the blame should be placed on Microsoft/OpenAI for overhyping ChatGPT and understating how likely it is to mislead. And every response from ChatGPT should be preceded by a warning that it cannot be trusted.

There is a warning each time you create a new thread, and always at the bottom of the page.

I think people should check (on the same page as the tool itself) if the tool advertises itself as unreliable.

Re: Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused

#17

In the other discussion of this topic, a lot of people said the lawyer should be disbarred, but personally I think people should be able to trust the tools marketed by trillion dollar tech companies, and a lot of the blame should be placed on Microsoft/OpenAI for overhyping ChatGPT and understating how likely it is to mislead. And every response from ChatGPT should be preceded by a warning that it cannot be trusted.

> And every response from ChatGPT should be preceded by a warning that it cannot be trusted.

It kind of is - the ChatGPT site has this as a permanent fixture in the footer:

> ChatGPT may produce inaccurate information about people, places, or facts.

That's arguably ineffective though - even lawyers evidently don't read the small print in the footer!

Re: Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused

#18

In the other discussion of this topic, a lot of people said the lawyer should be disbarred, but personally I think people should be able to trust the tools marketed by trillion dollar tech companies, and a lot of the blame should be placed on Microsoft/OpenAI for overhyping ChatGPT and understating how likely it is to mislead. And every response from ChatGPT should be preceded by a warning that it cannot be trusted.

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Re: Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused

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See, this is the sort of thing that makes me suspicious about the current AI hype (well, that, plus it’s largely the same people who were going on about cryptocurrency changing the world a few years ago); this stuff just isn’t very _useful_. Like, if writing plausible lies is the 2020s AI boom’s killer app, well, that’s not great, really.
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