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Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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> the secrets Snowden was releasing were revealing to our adversaries and international terrorist groups how to avoid or thwart our surveillance.

And yet, I don't see these international terrorist groups having been particularly successful since the Snowden leaks.

Of course Clapper is going to try to paint the leaks in a bad light; the leaks painted him in a bad light!

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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> The materials Manning had leaked were embarrassing; the secrets Snowden was releasing were revealing to our adversaries and international terrorist groups how to avoid or thwart our surveillance.

Dang, sounds like they should have cast a finer net or something eh?

> he had appointed himself as judge over what he had seen, and then, without conducting an investigation or calling out wrongdoers, was going to bring about justice in ways that multiple executive branch agencies, Congress, and federal courts - which were all aware of and conducted oversight of the very programs that concerned him - apparently were unable or unwilling to do.

And yet the American people, who ostensibly hold the reins here, weren't uniformly enthused about what they heard. This is an insider with immaculate insider mentality griping about a whistleblower whose complaints in the previous paragraph apparently went miles overhead. What an eye-roller.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Serious question, why are the Snowden leaks so revered and not the reporting of James Risen several years earlier? Risen exposed operation Stellar Wind which was the grossest abuse of spying apparatus approved by the Bush admin over the express objections of their own DOJ. Risen also appeared in court for every summons about his activities and was dutifully defended by the NYT until he was ultimately exonerated.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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> the secrets Snowden was releasing were revealing to our adversaries and international terrorist groups how to avoid or thwart our surveillance.

Good, maybe this will incentivize intelligence agencies to not abuse their power knowing people will whistle-blow and reveal secrets. When you remove all other methods of accountability, this is what happens. Intelligence agencies did this to themselves.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Serious question, why are the Snowden leaks so revered and not the reporting of James Risen several years earlier? Risen exposed operation Stellar Wind which was the grossest abuse of spying apparatus approved by the Bush admin over the express objections of their own DOJ. Risen also appeared in court for every summons about his activities and was dutifully defended by the NYT until he was ultimately exonerated.

> Serious question, why are the Snowden leaks so revered and not the reporting of James Risen several years earlier?

Because, historically, the US Press is compulsively deferential to the NatSec state.

It's the same reason the press twistered themselves to report the Mark Klein revelations as a warrantless wiretapping issue - instead of the NSA live cloning internet backbone traffic in a room custom built by AT&T for the purpose.

ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Klein

That the US press was loudly silent over US Gov's revenge campaign against - not only James Rosen but also James Risen and other journalists who outed NatSec wrongdoing - is for me one of US Journalism's most defining (non)actions.

ref: US Gov's persecution of James Risen https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/03/james-risen-anonymou...

ref: US Gov's persecution of James Rosen https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/05/james-rosen-name...

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