"White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail • Hacker News Board

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by DanBC » Sat, Feb 18, 2012, 6:51 PM UTC

wyclif wrote: post #26

bryanh wrote: post #22

> "He added that when Mangham was arrested he made "copious" admissions to police about what he had done." Given the chance, I always bang the "don't talk to authorities" drum. So now you have to wonder, how did his "copious admissions" help him? Seriously, if you are suspected of anything , no matter how innocuous or momentous: Shut. The. Hell. Up. Get a damned attorney. Of course the classic video needs to be linke…

Upvoted. Never, ever, talk to the cops.

There have been a number of miscarriages of justice in the UK.

It's important to remember that there is not right to silence here, and Judges can make inferences based on a person's silence during police question.

Better advice is to ask for a solicitor, and say calmly that you'll only talk when you have legal representation.

If you're innocent it's important to give a minimal account (with legal representation) of your actions, because not doing so could lead to a false conviction.

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by Cadsby » Sat, Feb 18, 2012, 8:59 PM UTC

mmaunder wrote: post #54

wyclif wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoted. Never, ever, talk to the cops.

Upvoted too because I preach this to friends/family regularly for serious issues/offenses. However I've talked my way out of around 9 out of 12 speeding fines in various states by being nice and kissing a bit of ass during the last decade. Cops are people too and when they walk up to your window after pulling you over, they may actually be scared. And you know fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to y…

I agree with everything here except the admitting guilt part. Don't EVER confess to anything to a law enforcement agent, especially if surprise surprise, you're actually guilty, even for something as minor as a traffic ticket.

If you're caught speeding, suck it up and take the ticket.

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by mickey7 » Sun, Feb 19, 2012, 12:10 AM UTC

he is not an ethical hacker. he did not offer his services to facebook to agree on a price. hacked it of his own initiative

then disclosed the vulnerabilities with his real identity which means he assumed-expected to somehow benefit, probably not financial - just craved recognition / 'pat on the back' / coolness / job offer

acted like a muppet

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by Volpe » Sun, Feb 19, 2012, 5:03 AM UTC

Retric wrote: post #82

newhouseb wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be right, but the net effect is that it encourages responsibility regardless.

In specific instances the fact that China kills people where the US does little to the individuals involved feels good. However, the US approach of mostly free press coupled with regular and independent policing of government contracts, coupled with class action lawsuits changes the landscape significantly. In the end you might argue that corruption is endemic of both systems, yet that's the case for any large scale…

It's better when "everyone tries to at-least appear to follow the rules" ? Isn't that worse than blatantly not following the rules, because at least you know what they are doing?

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by Volpe » Sun, Feb 19, 2012, 5:05 AM UTC

CHsurfer wrote: post #96

It seems that the government(s) make a lot of noise about how valiantly they pursue these 'dangerous' hackers, but they won't go near the state sponsored industrial espionage that appears to be coming out of China. Why are we so proud of persecuting our own citizens while we ignore much more damaging actions carried out by another government?

Probably because it's not a one sided affair and both sides in a (China/US) confrontation have a lot of leverage over each other so a conflict is not in the interest of either party...

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by Retric » Sun, Feb 19, 2012, 5:29 AM UTC

Volpe wrote: post #114

Retric wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In specific instances the fact that China kills people where the US does little to the individuals involved feels good. However, the US approach of mostly free press coupled with regular and independent policing of government contracts, coupled with class action lawsuits changes the landscape significantly. In the end you might argue that corruption is endemic of both systems, yet that's the case for any large scale…

It's better when "everyone tries to at-least appear to follow the rules" ? Isn't that worse than blatantly not following the rules, because at least you know what they are doing?

Following the rules in this case means actually providing the service that the government paid for. The government may overpay for a building because people skim off the top, but it's far less common for them to build something that's so poorly constructed that people can't actually use it. The first case is less efficient the second is useless.

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by abalashov » Sun, Feb 19, 2012, 9:33 AM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #111

wyclif wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoted. Never, ever, talk to the cops.

There have been a number of miscarriages of justice in the UK. It's important to remember that there is not right to silence here, and Judges can make inferences based on a person's silence during police question. Better advice is to ask for a solicitor, and say calmly that you'll only talk when you have legal representation. If you're innocent it's important to give a minimal account (with legal representation) of y…

Judges can make inferences based on a person's silence during police question.

Judges can do that here, too. No constitution can stop them from making inferences.

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by abalashov » Sun, Feb 19, 2012, 9:35 AM UTC

bwarp wrote: post #109

buff-a wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You do not have to say anything unless you wish to do so, but I must warn you that if you fail to mention any fact which you rely on in your defence in court, your failure to take this opportunity to mention it may be treated in court as supporting any relevant evidence against you" F.U.D. made law. Well done England. Fortunately England still requires a Jury, and Jury's still acquit people despite the police and pr…

Just a quick note: If you don't have a solicitor or your solicitor is not available you're in even more shit as they'll get the "duty solicitor" out. They are their own breed of scum you have to avoid like the plague as they sleep, eat and drink with the arresting officers and are definitely not impartial. Actually that is pretty much the same for most of the legal profession in the UK. Half of them are friends, the…

As for trial by Jury - seriously speaking they are usually manned by idiots most of the time.

That is, unfortunately, a universal problem anywhere that there are jury trials.

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by DanBC » Sun, Feb 19, 2012, 9:46 AM UTC

abalashov wrote: post #117

DanBC wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been a number of miscarriages of justice in the UK. It's important to remember that there is not right to silence here, and Judges can make inferences based on a person's silence during police question. Better advice is to ask for a solicitor, and say calmly that you'll only talk when you have legal representation. If you're innocent it's important to give a minimal account (with legal representation) of y…

Judges can make inferences based on a person's silence during police question. Judges can do that here, too. No constitution can stop them from making inferences.

But a Judge in England can say that s/he is taking the defendant's refusal to answer questions in a police station, or a refusal to testify, as evidence of guilt.

A US judge saying that would leave the case open to appeal.

Re: "White hat" Facebook hacker gets 8 months in jail

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Post by buff-a » Mon, Feb 20, 2012, 4:50 AM UTC

bwarp wrote: post #109

buff-a wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You do not have to say anything unless you wish to do so, but I must warn you that if you fail to mention any fact which you rely on in your defence in court, your failure to take this opportunity to mention it may be treated in court as supporting any relevant evidence against you" F.U.D. made law. Well done England. Fortunately England still requires a Jury, and Jury's still acquit people despite the police and pr…

Just a quick note: If you don't have a solicitor or your solicitor is not available you're in even more shit as they'll get the "duty solicitor" out. They are their own breed of scum you have to avoid like the plague as they sleep, eat and drink with the arresting officers and are definitely not impartial. Actually that is pretty much the same for most of the legal profession in the UK. Half of them are friends, the…

Half of the duty "solicitors" are cops. You don't have to actually be a solicitor in the UK. You just have to pass a test. So retired cops take the test and earn themselves beer money (on top of their pension) to work with their mates.